Producers petition EPA for 15% Ethanol

EPA is being pe***ioned to increase the amount of Ethanol in gasoline.
54 producers have saturated the 10% level and have over supply. New limt sought is 15%. We do not want this to happen. The greed and corruption of last years gas station fiasco will only get worse. Mileages will decrease and runability costs will increase for older cars. They(Stations) add more water to the gas, for example.

Email: a-and-r-docket@epa.gov

Docket ID # EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0211

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The Producers have hit a saturation wall and now have an oversupply. They want to sell it to you.

DATES: Written comments must be
received on or before May 21, 2009.
ADDRESSES: Submit your comments,
identified by Docket ID No. EPA–HQ–
OAR–2009–0211,

• Fax: (202) 566–1741.
• Mail: Air and Radiation Docket,
Docket ID No. EPA–HQ–OAR–2009–
0211, Environmental Protection Agency,
Mailcode: 6102T, 1200 Pennsylvania
Avenue, NW., Washington, DC 20460.
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I wish we could get E85 here in my area, its the opposite of what you are talking, only 15% gasline and the rest is alcohol. 110 octane, runs super cool and gives fantastic performance. The only downside is it requires significant mods to your carb to get them to run the additional 30% it requires. So if your getting 10 miles per gallon on gasoline, expect 7 or so on E85. for the performance and what I'm paying for race fuel right now....

SHOW ME THE E85 BABY!!!

Nearest for me is about 160 miles in Ogden Utah from what I've heard.

 

Build the engine to use the octane and you may not see a fuel consumption increase.
E15 would just be a lower quality way to sell the same swill they sell now.

 

I have pdf file from EPA if anyone needs more info on waiver.

PM me with an email address.

 

I run E20 and E85. Works great and my truck has better fuel mileage WITH more alky. My A will be setup to run whatever.

 

If the Ethanol has caused you no problems, do nothing.

If you have had problems with it, from any reasons, including stations adding water, then let the EPA know your concerns.

Threads abound over the no-problems, works great, get over it been using for 20 years posts.

If you like paying for something designed to save you money and it has not worked, but you're ok with it, do nothing.

Gas with 10% does not stay good as long either. It is blended locally. Here in OK last summer the stations had 20-23% Ethanol, until they were caught. Greed and corruption is half of the story.

Going to 15% will give them more room to expand the greed. This can not be regulated, and the savings to consumers is non existant.

When it was first proposed for use, The official response was let the stations deal with it.

Anyone having problems of any kind are encouraged to let the EPA know.

Happy campers, continue being happy.

 

There is one gas station at our town that has gas without the corn. It cost a little more. But with the increased milage and power you get about the same economy. I dont want corn squeezins in my gas. We have a fuel injected v6 that wont idle with corn gas and in hot weather it vapor locked on it. OldWolf

 

i wonder if that's why my truck hasn't been idling right anymore. plus my fuel pump went in under 2 years. just changed it monday night. freakin epa. if it wasn't for them we'd be "pollutin with led gas and destroying oxygen sensors and cats with high zinc oil"!

 

The MARKET will control its self. right now Ethanol is expensive compared to gas. Even the stations that ran higher levels in thier blends (still within legal limits) are cutting back to the bare minimum, ie: 10% vs. 13%. They ran 13% for a little cushion so they always tested legal. We haul hundreds of thousand of gallons of Ethanol AND unleaded every year. Most of the cars in this part of the country run it at some time. The number of issues in the general poulation is miniscule.

 

that is true in a free market system , unfortunately we don't have one with ethanol ..we are being forced to use it. if we could truly decide to use or not use it based upon it's actual cost (remember , it's subsidized ) and it's performance no one i know would choose to use it..includingme

winners and losers are being picked for us. even a recent University of Minnesota study shows it's a waste if time..all it does is give the farmers a place to sell their corn

 

I am glad I can still get real gas for now where I live,

 

From the land where Corn is King, stay away from this ****. You'll be changing your fuel filters everytime you change your oil. The State subsidises ethanol so that it's at least .10 a gallon cheaper than regular ol gas, otherwise the only people that would buy it are the farmers becuse they get subsidzed for it. They started to build dozens of ethanol plants a year os so ago when gas sky rocketed. Now they either gave up and stopped or are working at a snails pace.

 

IN OKC a bill was signed into law last year requiring stations to label pumps with 10% Ethanol in them. Stations have large banners proclaiming 100% Gas. When it first started, those stations were getting all of the business. Now the 100% gas is everywhere. 7-11 stations just went 100% gas.

The playing field is not level when the Government has stepped all over it. If consumers were given a choice, I think Ethanol would dry up in less than 6 months.

36-3 window is right on.

 

I blame the corn lobby, corn is the last thing they should be making ethanol out of. Switch gr***, hemp, sugar cane, oh wait, the corn lobby has kept sugar production out of the US as well. But even after all that I am pro ethanol. E85 is a godsend for those of us who like compression... bring it on...

 

Gave up? Working at a snails pace? I work for a company who is building and expanding its ethanol plants and let me tell you I havent slowed down at work. I am not saying that is the case for all the biofuel producers but so far our company is right on track with estimated deadlines and demand is up according to what we are being told. I dont know alot about the whole 10% blend since mine and my wifes dailys are deisels but I know the E85 does exactly what they say it will and more, as long as you prep your ride for it it runs like race fuel.

 

I guess a law mandating the use of it would be a good thing in your case. I just hope its an optional thing.

 

Imagine runing 13-1 compression, pulling up to the pumps and g***ing up. Compression=horsepower plain and simple. I'd love to get away from this freaking 10.0-1 compression I'm curretly running, all I need is for E85 to get more prominent in this part of the country. I understand its similar in price to gasoline too, so when I fuel up my non-hamb freindly drag car no more $50.00 for a freaking 5 gallon can. yeeeeouch. Gimme pop ups and .650 lift cams in my street motor yeah baby!

 

I know I'm going a different direction with this but I've always wondered why the oil companies don't just produce one higher octane grade of gasoline instead of three. I'd think it would be simpler and cheaper to store/produce and the auto makers could build more efficient higher compression vehicles to use it as well.

 

Because gas is expensive to refine, premium even more so. They are at the end of the refining process. We are constantly on allocation or out of premium at certain pipelines.

 

My understanding of the difference in octane is just the additive package that is mixed in right at the pump via the octane selector.
The same gasoline tanker supplied from the same gasoline depot drives to all the gas stations and they add their own package at the pump.

I remember when living in TX, premium was 93 octane and after moving to CA it was 91 and more expensive. But I only use 87 and 89 in my rides anyway.


My local grocery store chain offers gasoline up to $1.50 less per gallon for their 'card savings members' but it contains more ethanol than other gas stations and lord knows whatever other thinners.
I tried it last fill-up but had to drain it and am using it for my lawn mover now.
Idle, power and gas mileage was noticeably worse.
I wish I had a simple way to ****yze what is in their gas, but it's no good for my rides.
Even the lawn mover starts up harder with it.

 

I suppose so. Sounded good though, didn't it?

 

Hmmmm... thats funny we have separate tanks here. The do all pump through the same nozzle.

 

I think it is another way to force us to get rid of older cars and buy the new "green and safe" cars.

 

Up to 10% here and no issues with our fuel injected late models but I'm
definitely having issues with all the small carbureted engines at my work.
Doesn't take much water in the fuel bowl before they're spitting and
sputtering. Tried different stations and haven't seen any change so
at least for now draining the fuel bowls is becoming regular maintenance.

 

How many gallons of diesel does it take to produce a bushel of corn? How many bushels of corn does it take to make a gallon of ethanol?
Is this not a vicious cycle? The farmer still gets to produce corn for food/feed/fuel. But we pay at the grocery store for the added demand to the corn supply. At harvest season last year, we all were paying through the nose for fuel, then the bottom dropped out of grain prices for the farmers with grain to sell.
If we keep our older vehicles with carbs, will we have to get parts manufacturers to make carb rebuild parts that are compatable with ethanol? If you're dirt or drag racing, you buy different components for gas vs. alcohol.

 

I hear this often. Less now than years back. I have ran ethanol blends for years in many different vehicles, from Model A's to new cars. Never had problems with fuel filters, fuel pumps, or carburators. Maybe it is a regional thing or maybe just ****py parts.

Neal

 

This past year, the increase in price at the grocery store was based on the high cost for oil. If it was based on the increased price of corn, wouldn't the prices for food have fallen when the price for corn went from $7/bushel to $3.25/bushel?

Neal

 

That's part of the problem, corn is the wrong thing to be used.

LMAO, dude that is not the way big business works, they want justification to raise prices, then they do NOT lower them when their cost decreases.

 

I get 2 miles per gallon less with the LIBERAL cool-aid, i has caused problems with my weedeater, I was buying this stuff with out knowing untill a law was past for the stations to post a sign if they were selling the stuff. Hey buy the stuff and get less mileage and use the same amont of gas, but feel good, or don't use it and not have the problems that go along with it. Hey just my opinion, and you know what they say...

 

That is exactly my point, it is not the price of corn that caused prices to increase.

The justifiable cost increase was from energy.

The fact that prices have not come down is because they don't have to until forced by demand. That IS how big business works.


Neal