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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by VanHorton, May 9, 2009.

  1. VanHorton
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    hey guys do you think the back end of this looks to squished? im messing around with ideas for a 50 coupe that i have rusting away... 56 lincoln quarters, whole car sectioned at the belt line, with trunk and hood sectioned to match... how are the proportions? personally i love it, but im up in the air as to whether the back end tapers down too much, might be a flaw in the way i photoshopped it though.... what do you guys think? Thanks

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  2. 00 MACK
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    What makes the car look dis-propotioned is that the 1/4 windows are too fuckin short.The roof isnt split and brought down straght at the B-Pillars to retain maximum 1/4 window length after it was chopped. This stands true for 49-52 Chevys (Olds, Pontiacs)and as well as Ford coupes. Only once those measures are taken should slanting the posts come into play. This is the exact reason you hear people say that coupes dont lend themselves to chopping as well as two door sedans. Basically , the best way to chop a coupe in my humble opinion is the way Charlie Brewer did the one for Walker in the early 80s or the way the H.A.M.B.S own Flop did his Poncho, but slant the posts. That way you have a well proportioned chopped roof with proportionate 1/4 windows that retains perspective from all angles and is still identifiable as a coupe. Did you by any chance use the Hollywood Hotrods Chevy for the start of your photoshop? I do think the mild sectioning is very cool because its not like that Polynesian, euro-style sectioning job!
     
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  3. HRK-hotrods
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    Hmmmm... Might be better starting with a fastback and using that as a donor car ;)

    Remember, I know where there's one to be had(hint hint) :)
     
  4. tinknocker86
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    Looks bitchin' - full steam ahead! Yes, OO has a good point. If the quarter glass was full size ( in length) it would help diminish the mass of the roof. The roof would yet still maintain the slope you're looking for i.e. a true fastback.
     
  5. VanHorton
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    yea it is the hollywood hotrods car. i understand what your saying about the quarter window, thats one of the things i dont like about the car. just didnt feel like fixing it in photoshop, If i had chopped it i would have made the window bigger for sure. Thanks though i think that is definatly throwing it off.

    Joe, i would love to buy your fleetline! haha i just need some money dammit! :(
     
  6. jonzcustomshop
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    I did a sloppy quickie on the 1/4 window, like oomack said this is where a coupe chop gets f*%ked up.
    maybe play around with some angeled wheelwells, like 55 chev fronts and 57 chevs rear, might make it look a little less ass heavy.
    cool idea though
     

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  7. VanHorton
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    I redid the original, but this time i adjusted the stance of the car before i added the tail lights, so they have the correct taper and stuff now. Looks better. Im just trying to look past the quarter window now.... the goal i think would be like the dan landon 49 chevy except with lincoln tail lights...

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    Also redid it without the section. doesnt look as long, and it gives it more of a subtle look. I like this too.

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  8. VanHorton
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    o yea i like the idea of other wheel opening too, that could be cool...
     
  9. James D
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    Couple of thoughts - you don´t really want to get involved in sectioning this thing do you? The chop is a bit odd IMHO, but it would benefit from longer quarter windows, as several people have said, and - I think - some kind of drip rail to give it some flow back. As it is, it gets a bit lost after the doors. Just my 2cents.

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    This is getting closer. The issue lies in the rear fenders. Maybe drop the tail lamps down slightly and get the top of the quarter to arc instead of being flat. Move the rear bumper out slightly. What would it look like with t the deck lid forward edge moved up to the rear roof intersection ( Eliminate the upper rear body panel) while moving the front section of the quarter bubble forward toward the rear edge of the door? Maybe just extend the rear edge of the roof to the front deck lid edge ?
     
  11. LarzBahrs
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    Maybe if you added some height to the rear fenders it would look perfect!
     
  12. James D
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    These cars are slightly odd from the factory, in that the waistline curves down towards the rear. They always look like they´re driving uphill! You can either go with that look, which comes into conflict with the very flat decklid, or try and straighten it out - as here - with some different fenders, for a different look (which is what Chevy did a couple of years later). I´m assuming the Lincoln fear fenders are pretty straight pieces.
     
  13. DrJ
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    Rusting way?

    Move the back window forward about 4" to half a foot.
    The roof's too flat, long and "droopy" in the C pillar area now.
     
  14. 49ratfink
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    that car is way too chopped and way too much slant on the rear glass area. more is not always better.

    I like the flow of the original fenders myself, as well as how the factory sloped the car down towards the back like they did. wouldn't do it on one of my cars, but you fender idea will look good.

    I think you are grossly underestimating the amout of work involved in sectioning the car in that area. all sorts of odd curves in that hood... and when you were done the hood would be too flat.
     
  15. James D
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    Tweaked the roof a bit - extended the catwalk.

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  16. 49ratfink
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    ^^^^ James D's new roof is a great improvement for sure!
     
  17. twochops
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    Longer top?
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  18. Flop
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    ya need a little back window peakin out in the c pillar still looks way to big reason why i moved my quarter windows back to the stock spot after i chopped my coupe as 00mack mentioned.

    two chops longer top makes it look to much like a sedan . i wanted my poncho to still look like a coupe after it was chopped...just my 2 pennies.


    i think it needs less chop to work with those quarters maybe 2 or 3 in the front?less slant in the back more stock look.
     
  19. VanHorton
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    I should clear this up... I didnt, in any way shape or form, in real life or in photoshop, chop this car! haha it was done by hollywood hot rods and i am just using it to test ideas on, i never liked the chop but it was the best car and picture that i could find to use... here is the OG picture

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    that being said YES!! jamesD that is so much better! a drip rail is a must, and the chop on this car is definatly too flat... but your right if the section wouldnt help it, i definately dont want to do it, it would be a lot of work. Im going to mess around with another coupe, maybe with a different chop or one i can chop myself or something, the chop on this car is causing a lot of unnessecary fuss especially since we can all agree its not working hahaha.
     
  20. VanHorton
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    True Flop, i dont like the long roof, a coupe should stay a coupe. Im going to redo the photochop with a different car with a different chop to begin with.
     
  21. Flop
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    heres mine i guess you could kinda call it a stock looking chop

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  22. VanHorton
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    Love your car flop! been following the build, always check it for updates.

    here this is a better version. better car, better chop. first one has flatter, straighter rear quarters, and the other has them slanted down and taperd more. haha and i added a crappy drip reail to it. I have a 50 caddy bumper with exhaust ports in it to put on my chevy so that will accent the tail lights and quarters too... im liking this one a lot and i think i like the quarters straighter better. thanks for all the input guys its really making me think that less is more in this case...

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  23. VanHorton
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    could use a trim spear from low on the front fender to almost the end of the door...
     
  24. VanHorton
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    Any one have the back half of a 50 chevy coupe for sale? :D haha mine went missing....

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    Seriously though, i need the catwalk, trunk and area around the trunk, the quarters arent nessecary since im using the lincoln's anyway...
     

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