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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Dan, May 13, 2009.

  1. Dan
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    Was gonna go under the floor with my m/c in the t roadster but my y-block bell housing is the truck variety meaning it has big *** side mounts in the way. Anybody have any pics/ideas of firewall under the dash mounted m/c's??
     
  2. ECIGUY
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    Dan, Go to ecihotrodbrakes.com we have all kinds of under dash, under car, and firewall mounts.
     
  3. Dan
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    Thanks for the info., this is a low-buck build so I want to avoid and "street rod" type parts if I can help it. If I go under the dash I guess it really doesnt matter what it looks like as nobody will see it, I still however dont have the money to buy a new under dash unit. Wasnt there something like a Dodge van that came with a transverse mounted m/c?? Maybe I should rephrase my question - what "traditional" style (the roadster has a y-block, banjo rear, wide fives, radius rods, wishbones, etc.) firewall mounted m/c's exist? I do have a '62 chevy pickup dual m/c that I could use, what would I do with the clutch outlet? I had an idea I could use it as a dual chamber running one line to the front and another line to the rear 'til I took the cap off and saw they both fed from a single chamber...
    any other ideas...
     
  4. 30panel
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    On my model A, fire wall mount. I used a swing pedal an early ford master cylinder has worked great since the 60's.
     
  5. F-6Garagerat
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    We have a 48 ford pickup we are working on. We mounted the master cyl under the dash, mounted to a 2" square tube that runs side to side and bolts to the old hood hinge bolt holes. We used Model A pedals and bracket, turned upside down. It fits good, was cheap to make, and is really solid if I ever have to stand on the brakes hard. Here are some pics, I have more detailed pics If you're interested.
     

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  6. F-6Garagerat
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    Y-Blocks are cool. This is the one from our truck.
     

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  7. Dan
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    would love some more pics, that sounds like a cool deal...
     
  8. ECIGUY
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    Hmmmmmmmmmm? I'm curious as to what "traditionally dead" looks like when your mickey mouse pedal arrangement fails. This is the most important system in the car and you want cheap. Put me in your will.
     
  9. F-6Garagerat
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    I had to make 2 plates out of 1/4 steel, one for each side of the tube. It helped it be compact. Also I had to extend the arm on the brake pedal that pushes the master cylinder piston, again out of 1/4 plate. The I cut the pedals at thier swing point and switched them side to side and had a pro weld them. I'm just not comfortable welding cast iron. I have these in high res if you want to pm me with your email address, I'll send them.
     

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  10. Dan
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    Very cool F6, neat idea, did you have to change the pedal ratio at all? Have any pics of how you attached the pedal to the m/c? I am pretty sure that I know what you are saying but a pic if you have one would be cool, email is dchapweske@milescity.k12.mt.us, thanks for the help!!
     
  11. F-6Garagerat
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    Who are you refering to? Even if you weren't refering to the way I did mine, did you have to be so harsh? Maybe cheap is a bad word. What I made is strong, safe and inexpensive. Sounds like to me you're just trying to push your parts from your company on people. If we dont use one of your brackets we're gonna die? What did hotrodders do before you came along. I make most of my own stuff, unless It's something I know is beyond my skills. Isn't this all about, sharing ideas, being helpfull to folks that share a similar p***ion? Maybe come up with a different/better idea? I've looked at a bunch of your posts on here and the majority of the time your better idea was to try and sell people your stuff from your company. I think you took it too personally when he didn't want to consider your products. Unless of course your just "traditionally a ****".
     
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  12. ECIGUY
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    If I were trying to push my products I certainly would not have used ECIGUY. After 30 years of doing this I can tell you I have seen a whole lot of scary things in brake systems, home made pedal ***emblies especially. I inform people as to what we have, if you want it that's fine, if not, fine to. What I try to do is keep people from doing something that may get them hurt. Maybe your good at it, maybe your not, but when you lenghtened the m/c actuating arm length you lowered the pedal ratio, maybe you should have farmed that one out.
     
  13. F-6Garagerat
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    The master cylinder was raised an equal amount and the pedal cut from the swing point and repositioned in relation to the floor/firewall. I have enough brakes to throw you through the windshield.
     
  14. choppintops
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    ECIGUY, just because he doesn't want to use your product, doesn't mean his is or will be Mickey Mouse. I've recomended you guys before, but with that at***ude, I no longer will. Take your scare tactic spam elsewhere.
     
  15. ECIGUY
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    Choppin, it had nothing to do with using my products, and it had nothing to do with scaring anybody, but if you would like to talk about something that should scare you look at F-6's pedal ***embly. I see no re-enforcing gussets for the master cylinder mounting plate or the pedal mount, hopefully they were added later. That aside the pedal was extended above the pivot point using a piece of steel stock, and, by his own admission was welded to a cast iron pedal, TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT WOULD NEVER BE WELDED TOGETHER IN A STRUCTURAL APPLICATION, NEVER MIND IN THE MOST HIGHLY LOADED SECTION OF THE PEDAL. If that's not scarey I don't know what is. Ever seen a factory brake pedal made out of two different materials welded together above the pivot point?. And you wonder why I tell you guys to not to make your own pedal ***emblies?
     
  16. F-6Garagerat
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    There is only one pic where you can see the extension, and you cant see it very good at that. The extension is not welded, it's bolted, twice. These pics were early in the construction, before it was finished. Yes there are gussets. You didn't read what I typed, in a hurry to further try to make me look bad. Now you've made something up that isn't even true. So that would make you a liar and a ****. Like I said, I have enough brakes to throw you through the windshield, I'd love to show you.
     
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  17. As a Hot Rodder for many decades, I never thought Cheap HAD TO MEAN unsafe.... Hmmmmmmmmm
     
  18. niceguyede
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    from dallas

    lately I have been looking at dirt track duel set-ups for a project at work. Not gonna break your budget and fits under the dash. I haven't tried it yet so I'm not positive, just a suggestion.
     
  19. Hackerbilt
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    It doesn't.
    It's just the normal sales pitch people have heard so much they take it as gospel!
    But...he IS right...there are some scary setups out there!
    He sure does have a bad way of getting his point across though.

    BTW CSIguy...are you SURE that Ford pedals are "cast iron"?

    Brittle as Grannies favorite old black skillet and yet used in a thin aspect, high leverage OEM application?
    Ol' Henry Ford sure was dumb...
    because I think he used the same brittle stuff in spindles and their thin little steering arms!

    We're doomed......:eek:
     

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