There is nothing quite as breathtaking as a shorn scrotum....or tires.

Got a customers car in the shop right now, has a set of coker ww radials. Tires probably have less that 2000 miles on them, shaking like a dog ****ting peach pits. Took them and balanced them, 7 oz on one and a little less on the other. Spin them on the balancer and the tread wobbles all over the place.. I really don't think Coker cares whether their product is **** or not. Where else are we gonna go?

Brian

 

This subject comes up alot and Corky has chimed in. Coker will stand behind the tire. The down side is the cost of shipping at about 100 bucks each way.

 

Mick......

Coker claimed that there is a difference in bias design tubes and radial tubes......I am running original Lincoln 16 x 5" rims on the back and '40 Ford
16 x 4" rims on the front.......guess they think that air may leak out through the rivets if you don't use tubes.......

I am very happy with the performance of thse though........would never use bias ply again.......certainly not the ribbed dirt trackers........other tread designs may be OK........I never had a complaint about my rear 7.50 x 16 bias Firestones.........

Hope that answers your concern....

CB

 

Underway as we speak - film at 11 . . .

 

America's Tire - some locations have lug adapters so they can balance lug centric wheels - such as original Torq Thrusts. I like to get all my wheels balanced lug centric - just in case the center hole on the wheel is off center - it is one less area of potential problem to worry about and the wheels run on the lugs not the center hole anyway (unless they're spindle mounts or spline drive).

As an alternative source for the bias ply lovers: www.lucascl***ictires.com

 

Aaron,How much did you take off the scrotum?

 

Having worked in the aftermarket/tire & wheel industry for the last 20 years I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of the "bad tires" are due to:
incompitent mounting & balancing
improper alignment
improper inflation pressure
worn suspension components
worn steering components
or any combination of the above.
You would be amazed how many ASE Certified techs and Tire shop employees have never heard the terms Match Mounting or Hub-Centric.
I've seen cars with "bad tires" that have been balanced with weights at 12,6,3, and 9 'oclock on both sides of the wheel.
Also '30s highboys do not need any more than 35 lbs of air in the tires, and I've run down to teens and 20s air pressure with no problems. Correct air pressure needs to be determined by veh weight and even wear across the tread, not the MAX pressure on the sidewall.
People forget that shock performance has a HUGE effect on tire vibration and wear. A small imbalance in a tire can cause a "dribbling" at hwy speed when combined with a bad or marginal shock which will only get worse with mileage. Dont even get me started on "friction shocks".
I'm by no-means saying Coker does not have a problem, but I've seen the finger pointed at "bad parts" too many times to not take it with a grain of salt until I can ask the specific questions or see the vehicle for myself.

 

Aaron, sorry to hear about all that , I bought a set of 4 bias cokers and mounted them on my homemade wheels my self with a pry bar , no weights and they ride perfect. I know your saying well f--you...sorry buddy I don't get many breaks in life so when I do I like to tell someone.

 

A couple of things to try/check are to move the tire 180 degrees on the rim if it takes too much weight or is somewhat out of round. I used to do that quite often way back when my job was making new Pontiacs drive perfect.

On our cars I think I would check the run out and balance on the rims I planned to run before I ever mounted a tire. Part of the "I know I have this part perfect an on to the next step."

I know tire molds and manufacturing equipment is/are expensive but I'd think that with this many problems with the same series of tires it needs to be fixed. There is either an equipment problem or human error somewhere in the process.

And it looks like the field is wide open for someone who can produce a product that has consistant quality and the appearance guys want.

 

From FNG to Newbie in one post isn't that a record?


Maybe the glorified FNG needs to shorn his nut sack

 

I've been working on this now for about 2 years - not full time, mind you, but picking away at it as I can afford to. Toughest part has been finding a tire co. willing to step up and build per my specs but I think I may have found the one. Blackwall only (for now) and, yes, 15" and 16" diameters (18" too), from about 5" wide to about 16" wide! Don't want to spill too much more for now but, for the highboy guys, these should be really popular. If all goes well, pre-production testing will begin in late '09.

Oh and, by the way, all made in the USA or Canada!

Steve

 

Aaron, my dad bought the latest set of Cokers in our family for his Woodie and they are Firestone 710's but the car goes from the garage to the trailer and back to the garage. I think in the last 2 years the car has been finished it has had 1 mile put on it, so if they are out of round he wouldnt know.

But all of our tires come from Corky and we never had any issues at all. It just sounds like its something just recently happened to the production. Maybe if we could get him to join us in a group discussion we can present him with the issues that we are having and he can address them accordingly. Since Ryan and Corky are good friends maybe he can pull this off, after all it would be like a huge feedback session and he can be in touch with probibly his largest customer base directly.

Just my .02

 

One thing to keep in mind for all you guys struggling with trying to cure wheel hop by balancing; Just because it's balanced well doesn't mean it won't hop. I think this is a Smokey Yunick quote, but not sure... "you can balance a cube, but it still won't roll!"

I've currently got a pair of excelsior 5.25x16's on the front of my '34 pickup with Firestone 7.50x16 on the rear. With no weight on them, the excelsiors were 100 times better than the shaved, balanced firstones I used to have on the front. I balanced the excelsiors, each took less than 3 oz, and they run about as smooth as any bias tire I've used yet. The truck still has a little shimmy at about 75, but above that, it disappears. This I can live with. I just put over 750 miles on them on my trip to the Jalopy Showdown.




That said, on my next build, I may try a set of the radials cuzinbrucie and fuel pump are running. It would be nice not to have to worry about whether you'll have to go through the h***le and expense of grinding them round. I actually like the look of them a lot, they're very similar to some bias ply tires I've seen in old lakes pictures.

 

I'm glad that I didn't buy those Cokers yet. I may have to rethink that idea...

 

At least you are in an area/state that will still shave a tire for balance..I haven't been able to find anybody around here that still does it..liability and lawsuits I'm sure...

 

This may give you a better idea of what the Coker Cl***ic radials look like.

 

Nair on the scrotum? are you ****ing serious?

 

I just saw this thread, sorry for jumping on it so late.

I’m sorry to hear of the problems some of you guys are having with your tires. We stand behind every product we sell 100%. We are dedicated to the hobby, our customers and customer service.

We have a very good track record of building and providing quality products. The bias ply tires you are using were designed over 60 years ago for p***enger cars and although we use modern materials and techniques in the building process you still end up with a bias ply tire at the end of the day. Bias ply tires are NOT radials. The do not have the flexible sidewall of a radial and will transfer road shock direct to your seat. But as so many of you mentioned, you can not beat the look of the bias ply tires.

We need you to make sure you do you part during the mounting process. I recommend you find a professional installer, preferably one who has experience with bias ply tires, and make sure they use the lug centric balancing technique. Your wheel and tire ride on the studs, so you want the ***embly to be balanced as it rides on the car. Many original rims (and even new ones) can be slightly out of round and a slightly out of round wheel results in an out of round tire. We recommend that you first attempt to rotate the tire 90 to 180 degrees on the rim should there be an appearance of and out of round condition.

If you still feel your tire is out of round, then send me the whole ***embly. We’ll be glad to put it on our balancing machine and spec out the ***embly. We will even send you the test printout of the specs for run out of the tire and your wheel. If you put it on you car and still have a vibration it’s not going to be the tire.

As always we are going to stand behind out tires and wheels 100%. Please feel free to call me direct if you have an issue that needs to be resolved.

Jess

Jess Hoodenpyle
Vice President - Sales and Customer Service
Coker Tire Company
1317 Chestnut Street
Chattanooga, TN 37402
Ph: 1-800-251-6336 Fax: 423-756-5607

 

Man, my posts were not a cut on you, they had to do with the redlines. Your car looks sweet as **** with the radials I didnt even know existed. If I realized that you were the guy with the bad *** ride that cut me down, I would have appologized. Matter of fact, I'm sorry. My car is 60's drag style and I am trying to keep the integrity of that while still making it driveable (can't run slicks on the street). I am just sick of going to goodguys shows and only seeing one or two cars out of 5000 that make sense. I learned my lesson, the hamb is the best, my apologies to Plowboy for turding up his thread because this is the kind of tech we need.

 

Shift Taste.........I am a very reasonable and friendly guy......I accept your apology and appreciate your comments and at***ude here.......it takes a real gut to man up in public.......thank you......

Also appreciate your compliment on my coo-pay......thanks....

Let's move on and have a reasonable discussion as this bias vs radial thing seems to have hit a nerve and a lot of HAMBers are apparently affected......also the *out of round* issue needs to be settled........

It was good to see Jess from Coker check in......but he's wrong about the problem is not their tires after two tries to mount and balance their ribbed dirt trackers on my wheels........the problem totally went away as soon as I had the radials mounted on the very same wheels on the very same front end........problem is certain models of their bias ply tires are just plain inferior quality......

A shame, because I know they do try to make it right.......Jess and Corky Coker were in a lot of contact with me on the issue.......however.....two tries were enough.......

I am very happily rolling along on the cl***ic blackwall radials........

With the ribs:


....and with the radials.....




CB

 

Did anyone notice the BFG Radial T/As on his "traditional" rims......

 

OOPS! Guess they did. Thatll teach me!

 

FWIW, Nair can be used on scrota but the preferred method for longer lasting return of hair is tweezing.

 

that's some advice we can all use...

 

hmmm...

 

good read,maybe this should be a sticky in the TECH section???









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Gee thanks! I didn't know my scrotum was so well known....perhaps it is because I am starting to closely resemble "the hedgehog" Ron Jeremy with my stunning physique. ha ha ha

I talked to Jess from Coker this morning and he told me to send him the receipts from what I had done and they will take care them. So that ain't so bad I guess. I would rather not have the h***le of taking my tires around to have them mounted, balanced, and shaved but I have to give them credit for wanting to make it right.