VWs at Billetproof........?

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You're totally right. I shouldn't have even wasted the energy to type a reply...

 

Sam does make a good point. He usually does. One of the few of us who rarely puts his foot in his mouth on here.

BUT, what if a guy built a digital-dashed, billet-full, crate-engined, tweed interiored, 80's style graphics on monochrome pastel painted, tubbed, pro-streeted, street rod with 20" billet wheels and low profile tires IN HIS OWN GARAGE??? Does the fact that he built it himself mean it should get into Billetproof, or that we should embrace it on the HAMB?

I don't think so.

Look, I'm all for homebuilt cars, and I could admire the craftsmanship of the previously described street rod. But it doesn't mean it would get through the gate at Billetproof. Nor should it.

So, just because a guy built it himself doesn't mean it's good.

That said, I chose to just look the other way regard to the VW's at BP. Even with a whopping 10 VW's, it's still the best show going, and I definitely got my $5 worth of cool cars, cool people and a cool vibe.

Let's face it Kirk, if the worst thing we've got to ***** about is some Volsrods, you're doing a pretty good ****ing job.

 

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If VWs aren't considered a real "traditionalist hot rod", then you can say the same to super slammed death rods like the purple people eater.

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Exactly!

"super slammed death rods" are about as traditional as my 2000 Chevy pickup...

The term "traditional" needs to be kept sacred... something to strive for... instead it has been *******ized by people who know it is a cool thing... and think they can jump the bandwagon by primering a piece of **** and slamming it to the ground.

My vote is to embrace craftsmanship, ingenuity and execution...

I also don't want people to think I'm being a Berkinstock wearing, granola eatin' tree huggin', Sally Struthers "can't we just get along" *****.

And no, I'm not an elitist either...

I do however recognize that certain cars are harder to build than others... they not only take more money, but also more time, thought and most of all... patience.

So why not congratulate people for their efforts... it's not "pole smoking" until you got the guys balls imprinted on your chin...

So an atta-boy for a guy who goes the extra mile is due.

But on the same token, don't put these cars on such a high pedestal that they think they can't park their car on the same lawn as one of those... those... those... RAT RODS!

The similarities are more numerous than the differences... that's what KIRK?s show is about...

We like them a little rough around the edges... truly "barn fresh" but "barn fresh in fibergl***" is a bit much... patina? Sure. Old Drag cars... yea baby! Low riders... not me. Street rods, only if they use some imagination... the spirit of the HAMB... is the spirit of Billetproof. A little bit of everything, but not too much of one thing. And definately bought with big bucks and driven around by a pomp*** ***.

Sam.

 

Tragic59 has a good point...

Maybe a way around this is to outline what is NOT allowed... I think KIRK? has "no billet clad fluffmobiles" on his flyer... that excludes the cars that get to be "mind numbing" at 95% of the cars shows that are out there.

I can remember a time when I would have to walk all day long aroud a big car show to see something I liked. There is a certain car that floats my boat. It just so happens that there are entire shows dedicated to that type of car now... so instead of having to walk all day long to see one that I like... Billetproof is the opposite... all you have to do is turn your head and there is something cool to look at...

I'd better stop... I'm starting to feel an impression on my chin...
Sam.

 

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I also don't want people to think I'm being a Berkinstock wearing, granola eatin' tree huggin', Sally Struthers "can't we just get along" *****.


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1 outta 5 ain't bad Sally!

 

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<font color="green">Real men PLUCK 'EM. </font>

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I plucked em once. My nuts bled for a week!

 

It aint nothing new bugs trying to be something they're not,
this was 23 yrs ago here in England &amp; its pretty clear what this one would like to be.
Personally i don't care for 'em one little bit but its my choice whether or not i go &amp; take a look round one.

 

I think you all are forgetting one SMALL detail...

Kirk invited the VW's there personally

 

Personally I dont get it..****.. guys built VW's back in the 50's and 60's and hot rodded and customized them etc etc...I still like that chopped beetle in the Movie the Hollywood Knights....Lets see that was supposed to be Oct 1965...... whats the deal??

 

Sam,
You're on the money........

 

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I think you all are forgetting one SMALL detail...

Kirk invited the VW's there personally

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Hell Sam,
For the first time, I am in agreement with you. This truely is BIZZARO HAMB.

As far as Billetproof goes....I dunno, I've never been to it.

As far as the "definitive BUG" goes....thats simple. A RAIL BUGGY, or a BAJA bug. Those are all a bug is good for. IMHO.
I would love to have a rail buggy BTW.....someday, maybe.

VT

 

I don't normally set myself up for the hate mail I am bound to receive, but here goes-
I don't post V*******n related stuff on here, it's Ryan's board, and he doesn't want it. Fair enough. I will however, like someone asked on another post, say something like "the guy that did the top chop on the Cop-looking Vrod didn't use an extra roof to fill in the gaps, he narrowed the body" so (1) people will know how he did it, and (2) maybe someone here will try that on their '50 Merc, or '29 Huppmobile, or whatthefu*kever.
Yep, I am building one of them there V-Rods. I want an all steel 34 3 window with an Ardun headed flathead, 3/8" stroker, Scot blower, all the *****in' Old School tricks. I work for a V********n Magazine, and on that salary, getting the 3 window of my dreams just ain't gonna happen. I am building, in my garage, on my own time and expense, a "V-rod" with a lot of stuff I have learned from you guys- chopped top, sunroof section grafted in, suicide doors, hidden hinges, Ford straight wires (don't give me any ****, when I got them, NOBODY here would have wanted them)16x5 back, 17x3 front, Magnum, Posie's, Speedway, etc etc.I built my own engine, that dynoed at 160 hp to the flywheel, and it's going in a 1400 pound car..do the math, anybody want to line up at the next HAMB drags? If I can keep the spokes from yanking themselves right out of the hub or rim, I just might have something there, sorta like a Fiat Altered with Old School metalwork and ingenuity involved. No, I won't post pictures, I did once, of the ch***is, and I got PM'ed into oblivion for my mistake, and High Crimes against the HAMB'ers. I have said it before, and I'll say it again- I am NOT here to change anybody's way of thinking. I am NOT trying to convert anyone to V********ism. I am here to "lurk and learn" and learn more about home-building a car from the ground up. I go to Hot Rod shows all the time with my 13 second V********n Oval window, and have a great time talking cam,carbs, jetting, compression, duration, overlap, base circles, new pushrod technology, etc etc with other like-minded gearheads, regardless of the car they drove in...If someone at Billetproof with na Volks-rod actually copped an at***ude with someone else with a traditional (or non-traditional, hell, I don't care) car, PM me- I either (1) know who it was, or (2) know someone who knows who it was, and I'll see to it it that they are properly ****-kicked. In the final ****ysis, It's Kirk's show, he invited some of the Volksrodders to the show, if he didn't want them there, he would not have invited them. If you don't like the way Kirk runs the show, may I ever so humbly suggest that you put on your own show? And see what the true meaning of "Pain and Suffering" really is?
****. Now my fingers hurt from all this typing, and I gotta get that other steering arm on so I can get going on the brakes.....

 

Seriously guys, I don't care what kinds of cars go to the shows (or get posted on here) because I have the free will not to look, but I don't like people trying to force feed me cars that I don't like; That's all.

Hell, My car's not really Billetproof (or HAMB for that matter!)material, but I took it to BilletProof Detroit to see if I'd get in or not... well, I did. I'm sure there were a bunch of people there that didn't really dig my car, and I'm OK with that... to each his own, right?

KIRK! told me that he thought my car was cool, and he didn't mind that I brought it, and a few of the POOR BOYS told me that they really dug it, and to make sure I bring it back next year; but I DID NOT try to make the people that didn't like it change their tastes... that just wouldn't make sense to me!

Hopefully this all makes sense and sounds a little more "civil" than my earlier posts.

 

Shaving itches... I just keep it clipped short.... Looks good for the ladies...

 

i like 69choptop (in a hetero way)...

ive been wanting to make a fastback volvo g***er since suggesting it to a certain HAMB'r. lightweight, short wheelbase... should make for a fun ride

 

I know what you guys are talking about. I've Got a gold chain car, a sixties car and I'm building a traditional car. I also own the black and white VW. I am old enough to remember the original cars that so many of you are trying to mimic. I love what you guys are doing.
I also have to say that I agree with some of you about a couple of the cars there. The one in particular is even an embarr***ment at a VW show.
I only wish that more of you could understand that in the fifties Model A bodies were plentiful and cheap. That is the reason that so many of them were the car of choise to hot rod. Those cars have all but disapeared today so what choice does the poor hot rodder have? In todays world one of the alternatives is to use a VW bug. Like the Model A's of the fifties, they are plentiful and cheap. As far as hot rod goes.....My VW powered T Bucket will ruin most V8 owners day.
I know that you guys are saying "fine just don't bring them to our show". Well you may be right but My VW was built totally in the spirit of the early "Traditional" hot rods. The car was built with all hand made parts on a very low budget.
I think that those of us who are fortunate enough to accually own and drive these cars have a responsability to the younger generation coming up. I think that we should be setting examples of what can be done.
I am proud of what we did with a VW and we did it in the true spirit of Hot Rodding.

Thanks for listening , Walt

 

Guess having a SBC excludes you from the "traditional" label also?

 

Hotrods are for fat people who cant fit in Volkswagens! I've always loved thet saying.

 

****ing Cry Baby Conformists.

Looking to be differnt,just like all their friends.
And you can be differnt too,
as long as you fit in with the right crowd and their idea of what is acceptable.
Don't try anything new,don't buck the trends.
Do as your told.
Follow the "rebellious" crowd,like all the other Sheep.

Imagination and creativity are only allowed within the limits dictated by
The Beautiful People,the big coporate magazines,and the self appointed Cool Car Cops.

Next year they will be *****ing because someone's t-shirt wasn't black enough,
or their cuffs weren't long enough.

Some beer drinking Poser buys a stock 60's barge,pays someone else to bolt on a set of White Walls,
and he's an instant automotive hero.

Some poor guy slaving away in his garage,chopping,welding,smoothing,getting his *** dirty doing all that traditional custom **** the Posers can't do and would never try to learn,
is somehow a stupid ***hole because his 60's car,which was originally designed back before The War,
isn't Kosher with the self appointed Cool Car Cops.

Maybe he should have started with an Anglia,Popular,Topolino,Bantum.
I think an old Rolls Royce,or a Bently,would make a cool Lead Sled.The Cool Car Cops would scream.

**** the Purist Pigs who want to limit what is acceptable.Who died and left them in charge ?

Is it old ? YES
Is it modified ? YES

SO WHAT IS THE ****ING PROBLEM ?

 

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****ing Cry Baby Conformists.

**** the Purist Pigs who want to limit what is acceptable.Who died and left them in charge ?





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Tell that to Ryan..........He's in charge.

 

Damn...the gig is called BILLETproof...not BUGproof!

How hard is THAT to figure out?

...and I read Sam's first reply five times...and I agreed with it 100%!!!

"What in da Hell is da world commin' to?!"

 

VW's as traditional hot rods? Maybe not. VW's part of hot rod culture? Absolutely.




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I am an AMERICAN.

As an american -I can speak of some americans mentality.
I think the "problem" with the cars that are a problem [in this post].......is the amount of RESENTMENT that we feel for their"nationality"
I have never heard this said....and thought about it for a while before I decided to say it...

We were never "at War"with .....say -GREAT BRITAIN...........Hence Brit bikes and Anglias are accepted even though they are "foreign vehicles.
also on the flip side of that coin, some of us[not me] tend to hold strong resentment towards JAPANESE bikes and cars in the US along with German cars as well....[I ONLY RIDE KAWASAKI CAUSE I LIKE EM!]
MY POINT here is the fact that we are victims of [INNOCENT OR GUILTY] inherited RESENTMENT or hatred ,if you will -of a country or its products and god forbid [even its population] [IN SOME CASES]-due to the fact that we were raised to remember the fact that we WERE AT WAR with those two countries-ITS LIKE SUBLININAL MESSAGING-WE HEAR IT WE PRACTICE IT.... .
I suppose if there were IRAQI cars made we would be Dissin' those at the present time and in the future too!
Im saying Just like in the case of "learned racism" the problem with these cars we are discussing is not so much their appearance or performance-but the stigma they carry in reguards to our historic and patriotic beliefs.
I personally have seen and been exposed to these practices as I was raised in a small rural community with very little exposure to outside cultures as a youth.
having said that I have OWNED VW'S and dont mind their being rebuilt in any manner you like as a hobby.....but they are not NOW or are they EVER- ANY part of traditional HOT RODDING.PART OF OUR CULTURE-SURE![based on the history of "the day"/'50's-'60's]

 

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Is it old ? YES
Is it modified ? YES
SO WHAT IS THE ****ING PROBLEM ?


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Right-the hell-on!



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Tell that to Ryan..........He's in charge

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Hey, One-Low...Ryan is NOT in charge of BilletProof, which is the original subject matter of this thread.

 

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but they are not NOW or are they EVER- ANY part of traditional HOT RODDING.[based on the history of "the day"/'50's-'60's]

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Please see my post one above yours. Apparently Ed Roth and Von Dutch were not part of traditional hot rodding.

 

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Is it old ? YES
Is it modified ? YES
SO WHAT IS THE ****ING PROBLEM ?


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Right-the hell-on!



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Tell that to Ryan..........He's in charge

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Hey, One-Low...Ryan is NOT in charge of BilletProof, which is the original subject matter of this thread.



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I know that, I ment on here. Didn't mean to stray from the original point at hand.

 

Hey choprods, do your homework before spouting off. A Brit was responsible for re-opening the VW factory after the war and an American was responsible for VW distribution in North America. Ignorance pisses me off.

 

If it's cool it's cool. It don't matter what it is as long as it's cool. What's cool? I think all of us here agree on some basics, but we're all different and we all have different likes and dislikes, but I agree if nobody thinks your stuff is cool, then deal with it and move on. Don't force it down other's throats. Rod