Beginning of mandatory water based paints?

Cut and pasted this from another forum. It refers to Canada, but has anyone heard of legislation in the U.S.?

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California is going all waterbased this year.

 

So Cal went water base in January 09. But clears and single stage are still petro based.

 

SO how are you going to do pearls ???? ghost flames???? get that "mile deep" look??? how good are they??? will they wash off with water???
I know it will be better for mother earth,,, but will I be impressed with paint?? or is the best i can hope for is the "erl shieb" job??

i think they are going too look like a tractor paint job..dry,, chalky,,rub off in your clothes.. and just not nice!!!
ok... show me I'm wrong........

 

when paint is outlawed only outlaws will have paint.

 

No problem it flows out like water and it has a deep wet look and doesnt trap humidity.

 

we are switching to water based next month it isnt even mandated here, we like the product.

 

I'm goin waterbased on my truck....gonna give it a shot, my colrs are from autoair, candy orange with a heavy flake, and tequila yellow with a mild flake...I'll let ya'll know when I get there...

 

Water based is not the devil. There have been a few in the Great 8 that had water based finishes.

 

I use Sikkens Paint have not noticed any difference except in drying time. Most cars from Europe are waterborne paint. I don't do alot paint work but we just finished a 1971 dodge charger R/T. Hopefully I won't get in trouble for posting it.

 

think of 10 year old new cars.... yea i aint gunna touch that ****!

 

whats the point the clear is not waterbase

 

I'm not biased either way, but was curious if this is put forth to legislation, will we even be able to buy oil based paint anymore? What about gun compatibility? colors available? Single stage?

 

Most OEM finishes are now water based paints. Do they look like tractors, dry, chalky are they rubbing off on your clothes and not looking nice?

There are still solvents in the paint it is just the majority of the product is water. In most cases they cover better, flow out better and color match better than the current systems. I work in the industry in Canada and a lot of shops have switched over and the vast majority of converted shops love the new water based systems. The only ones that don't are guys that are so set in their ways they don't give the new paint a chance and have their mind made up before they even try it.

 

Guns must be entirely stainless (or plastic cups) or they will rust. It is water afterall.

 

K13 i agree fully ,i have used water base as far back as around 1980 good product.c

 

Makes sense.

At work We're using water based paint with a reducer, but no clear. It's construction oriented painting, though. Holds a shine, but comes off real easy. So aside from PPG that I have been using, this is my only intro to water based paint. Understandable why I have reservations, lol.

 

As mentioned above it is only basecoats that are being mandated in Canada currently so everything else stays the same. Some paint companies are introducing water based clears just to get ahead of the curve but most are still sticking with their solvent based products.

 

Because you look at refinish as a system

primer
sealer
base
clear

All of these products contain VOC's. The Govt is making them knock the VOC levels down. The way they do that is by making the toners waterbased. This knocks the VOC percentage down to a aceeptable level. I dont think all of CA is water yet is it. I heard only 22 of the 200+ air quality boards have mandated it. It will be here soon and some paint compaines are very confident in there systems and are using it to target new business opportunities

 

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From my understanding from AQMD and Sikkens Rep all of California has to convert to waterborne by next year, But I was told that if you only paint so many cars a year you can keep using Solvent base paint till you run out or your supplier runs out. I know you can still buy Lacquer Paint in San Diego right now till the end of the year. Even the Solvent Cleaners are changing over to a mineral base and the Safety Clean guy told me they are going start changing the Brake,Carb, Degreaser cleaners by the next year also. I had to buy new guns for the waterborne paint and if you have a nice heated tru downdraft booth you will not have any trouble. Alot of the new guns coming out can be used for Waterborne or solvent base paint now.

 

yeah, i'm a commercial painter and everyone is going green,low v.o.c. i'm thinking the water base may be more user friendly,just painted my roof last weekend with waterborne metallic,i guess only time will tell about longevity,

 

Just talkin with my paint supplier yesterday, he said as much as he thought he wasnt gona like it, he said its pretty good stuff. And he said between all the clears sikkens has, the waterbourne clear is definantly the best.

 

All European cars are painted in Waterborne, that is one reason I use Sikkens (Akzo Nobel), them a Glasurit are ahead of the game. They are little more money but it is easy to work with and the primer does not clog as fast. The only problem with waterborne is self life it last up to three months. In hotter areas I heard its worse.

 

ive had the ppg envirobase in my shop for over a year now.

as previously mentioned, all euro cars, and us cars are painted with water base and have been for quite some time.

there are some quirks to it for custom use, but some benifits as well.

also, they have a clear that will mix with the house of color concentrates for candies, and flakes and will work pretty well.

i have done some flame jobs, pearl jobs , completes and candies with the water system, and for the most part its working out.

still got some dbc 500 hidden just in case , and the deltron machine as well.

you still use your favorite primers and clears. pearl jobs are easier as a rule, but its hard to get the pebbly base if that is what you are after.

it does cost ya a bit more as well


skull

 

I have read about the water base and really is no big deal . There are more things for hot rodder to get upset about than this . It's been around for a while . Other countries have been using for a long time and does give the deep look too .

 

good thing I spray powder, and don't have to be concerned about this

 

Except that it sure as hell ain't traditional! What's next, synthetic oil?

Bob

 

Some body smarter than me said this

A Man is like a weed when he stop's growing he withers and dies

 

i work in Show Vehicle Operations for General Motors and we recently switched over. i realy like it. we are using PPG and ive been told by people who use other brands that what we are using is the best out there. PPG offers not only OEM colors in pearls, tri-coats, metallics and solid colors but they also have a line of custom colors including heavy metal flakes, metallics and color changing bases. you should have no trouble doing any type of custom work with water borne that you did with solvent borne base coats and the quality is at least equal.

i realy like the stuff and clean up is much simpler. deionized water is your "thinner" and can be used to clean the gun, any dried base coat comes right off with acetone.
i've done repairs and blends and just sprayed some tri coat today and here is another cool thing you can't do with solvent borne bases. we just did a 2 tone 55 Chevy for GM Performance parts. we sprayed the lighter base color (in this case tri coat white pearl) and once all the water had dried out of the base we taped off the car for the 2 tone. right over the base only minutes after it was sprayed! then we sprayed the second color, unmasked nd cleared the entire car. film build is VERY minimal with the water borne and you hardly have an edge at all. it would take very little wet sand out the edge if you were doing flames or stripes and wanted a flat finish.
you do want to make absolutely sure that the base is completely dry. if it is wet at all you will leave some tape tracking. if you are still leary it would'nt hurt to do it the old fashioned way and clear between colors but in a pinch you can get away with it, i've done it twice now.

anyways, i love it. i can't wait to do more custom stuff with it and use some of the heavier flakes.