The question I am putting up for general discussion is multi-facetted. I am not knowledged at all about paints, properties of said paints, or their applications. I am however hoping this will help me find a direction in which to proceed in the future... Take my truck for instance... It is a single stage Hot Rod Flatz "pearlescent" Copper it has some small amounts of scalopping on it. 1st) What is the usual order of ***ignment for the things in most Custom paint schemes? (as far as glossy, flaked and flat combinations for scalloped or flamed paint jobs) 2nd) Would it look strange to have a mostly flat paint job and scallops done in a glossy, super-fine "crushed gl***" flake? What about the reverse? A Glossy super-fine "crushed gl***" Flake paint job and flat portions for scalloping? 3rd) Can they be used together based on their different inherrant properties? (one needing multiple layers the other single stage) Would it just be a waste of such a cool, deeply-characterized paint; to spray some flat sections within it? And if so, is there a solution What I mean by "super-fine" "crushed gl***" flake is something not-unlike what was used on the flames of skullcrackers '55 BelAir. (one of the sickest paint jobs I've ever seen personally) Sorry, I don't have a great image to show the fine flake, flamed areas. Your take? Any photo's you'd like to include which support your position?
first off your truck is perfect..... In the tech thread this month there is a flat black chevy with gloss black scallops. this is gloss flake with flat black scallops.
thanks Chuck. That is some terrific insight. just 1 more gem like that and you'll have contributed 1600 posts. I look forward to reading them all... haha
First question, order. If I'm understanding your question right, this is the answer. Starting from the bottom, base, glossy, flake/pearl/special effects, flat. If no flat, sub more clear in that step, there needs to be something on top of your effects. Second, I don't think it would look bad, but its not my cup of tea. I've seen some that were decent and admired them, but I don't think anything I own will ever see a scheme go that route. Third, yes. The trick is to keep the properties alike. Flat paint does not have to be single stage, in fact if you plan to do a complicated graphic involving effects and glossy areas not broken by a pinstripe or some other dividing line (or even if they are its still good practice) it can't be. I saw your thread on your truck earlier. What is your plan? I know there's something your cooking up in your head so just let it fly.
Here is the one pic I have of glossy flames on flat paint with no divider. And one more with mini flake like you mentioned.
I know the camera is kind of ****py, but to me the flake almost just looks dirty. It was better in person, but you get the idea.
Hey Greg, here's something we did for Fender Custom Shop the other day.... 1950 Merc hood. It's flat black with candy flames striped in one-shot. You certainly can mix, you just have to do it right. If you're gonna mix shiny and suede, I always prefer shiny on suede as opposed to the other way around.
I agree with the shiny on flat. I have been doing some test panels in the garage before I even attempt it on my car but it just isn't looking like I thought it would. That would be my advise, try it on something else before you commit to it on that beautiful truck and ruin it.
yes.. i get the idea. That is why I had no good pictures to post myself of the 55. they all just looked dusty.
O.k. the truck is having some paint issues and may need to be completely re-painted in the next year. Before I repaint it, there are some metalwork issues that should be addressed first. So, I've got some time. Talking through things and seeing other examples, I hope will teach me a bit about everything involved and traditional trends. What I am thinking is a similar paint/color to what it has now because I am not changing the Fat Lucky interior. I don't like the paint used to do the scallops, but I do want to have scallops. I was thinking that I'd like to use a nice fine flake paint (like the '55's) in the process. I also wanted to look at the option of reversing the usages. Painting the whole truck a darker glossy charcoal w/ fine flake and using the brighter colors as the accents. I may need to see some photoshoping of the ideas...
Joyo~ I agree with your suggestion as to the order of shiny on suede. I imagined it as peculiar, but wanted to hear from the experienced side of life. Thanks for your post buddy. That hood looks killer.
Does the shiny on suede rull of thumb still hold true if the suede is going to be very minimal like in the case of just scalloping a glossy car. I can understand if the gloss is minimal or 50% ish of the total paint job but what if only 10-20% will be suede would you paint the gloss first and then the accents as you normally would? Just curious.
I think what Joyo meant about shiny on suede was referring to the look, not the actual order of layers. Unless you are still referring to the look, or maybe Joyo was referring to the order of the layers. If it were me, I would get all my gloss stuff layed down, cut and buffed. Then I'd come in and mask everything except the satin stuff, blow it on in one or two coats just for the satin look and be done. If you do it reversed, it makes it real tough to only buff the glossy areas. As far as the look, out of the 2 I'd pick gloss on an overall satin. I think satin scallops on a glossy car would be one step forward, two steps back. Just my .02.
Thinking of doing gloss black scallops over satin black base on my truck. Any one got similar gloss over satin one colour paintjobs?
You hit the nail on the head! That isn't the only way too do it, but the smartest. Any by the way, that truck is SICK! I have more pics of that truck from the Roundup last year than any other car there!
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