Paint Advise Needed

Hey All,

So I've been on this board for a little while now just soaking up the info and have to say it's been great! I have a question about paint though. I am getting ready to paint my '62 Imperial and am going to do a flat white paint job with a gloss metallic green top. I've read and heard that you can spray just a base coat of a base clear coat system for that flat/satin look. My question is will the regular base coat alone stand up to UV light and is it durable enough to stand alone?

Thanks in advance,

CC
'62 Imp

 

No. Add a flattening agent to your topcoat of clear.
Why not be traditional and paint it glossy?

 

no.

 

i couldn't imagine owning a flat white car....it would end up being a greasy , painted hand printed pos .... i guess you could clean it with a magic eraser though.....

 

The UV protection is in the clear on a base/clear paint system.

 

i agree, base coats without clear dont hold up too well. ive tried ppg deltron 2000 with hardner and flatening agent, but it wasnt all that great.

if you can get ppg's flexed and flat clear where you are, that works great. pcl also has a version.


skull

 

...flat white? ah, no!!!

 

Nope ,you need some clear on top of the base. As suggested already.

 

so as you can see from the above, you need a clear coat. A flattening agent can be added to a single stage paint too, eliminating the need for a 2 stage finish.

I also agree, that flat white would be a pain to keep nice. There are many stages to a "flat" finish. Go with 80% or so, just to cut the shine out, but still have the ease of cleaning.

 

My buddy had a flat white car once. It was shiny at one point. Apparently if every time you wash it you scrub it with comet to get the greasy hand prints off turned it will turn flat.

 

Have you seen this? Hot Rod Flatz.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GL-H...MotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fToolsQQsalenotsupported

 

The Hot Rod Flatz are nice, spray well, but if you're wanting to do it with urethane and make 100% sure it's fuel-safe, spray the car white, then instead of using a flattening agent in clear (which will 100% guaranteed end up chalking up on you eventually), mix Doupont DBC-500 4:4:1 with reducer and DCX-61 hardener. Spray this out of a gun with the volume turned down a bit and the pressure turned up a bit and you can 'mist' it to whatever sheen you want. When it dries (takes as long as regular urethane clear), it's washable, fuel-safe and you wont scratch it as easily.

DBC-500 and DCX-61 are cheap.... if you've got the time, try it. It works.

 

dbc and dcx are PPG products...

 

Hot Rod Flatz is urethane. And I don't know about using binder as a topcoat...

 

I thought the hot rod flatz had the UV protrctant in the paint and a clear coat was not needed?

 

Man don't do that to a great classic like that with a flat white !
Why not paint it the nice shinny color it was originally ? Those were some really beautiful cars ! Just a thought !

 

Flat white?

How about Sears weather-beater? A friend in HS had a '64 Bonneville that his parents painted with Gray weather-beater as a B-day present to him. It was flat gray alright. Looked like S--t.


Thought about a pearl white (that's shiney) along with the green top?

 

Spray it with Rustoleum Satin White.
Add a lil' acetone to thin it. At $25 a gallon
you can't go wrong. It's super easy to shoot.

 

I had an old ford that was flat white, it was the faded factory paint. Well, most of it was flat white, the tops of the fenders and header panel were grease color!! haha!! As others have said, why flat white? Maybe a satin or low gloss, but flat won't be very appealing after a week or two on the road.

 

I did a roof in White DP (epoxy sealer)... greasy-ass smudges everywhere.

Pick another color or put some kind of clearcoat over it.

-ns

 

Another no Flattening agent in clear I've heard base is pourous. Im gonna ask you why flat white, Dull looking in my opinion. Gloss .

 

You could do the interior yellow and
it'd look like a hard boiled egg.

 

agreed, also dbc 500 isnt gonna hold up to well as a top coat, it needs to be cleared as well . we use it as a mid coat clear with candy, flakes , etc....



skull

 

if I ever want to paint something flat I'm going with rustoleum.

as for the base coat no clear idea... what happens... does it fade quickly? I ask because I'm thinking what would flat white base look like after it faded? flat white.

 

Flat white with rust speckles coming through.

 

Used to be shiny...don't think I like the flat look.

 

dcx 61 is cheap? dont think so.

by the time u bought enuff dbc 500 to coat a car with a couple coats, with dt reducer, and catalyst. ur more then the 120 bucks or so it would be for the hotrodflatz.

not to mention there is no uv protection in dbc 500. u will have a catalyzed intercoat. but ur supposed to catalyze dbc with dx57 anyway.

 

your best bet would be, paint the car white and green. spray gloss clear. color sand and buff roof. sand sides to be recleared, then mix a flat clear using the clear you used to clear the entire ride. mix flattner in it. spray one nice even coat. or 2 if u cant do 1 nice coat. u have the uv protection of the gloss clear with a piss coat of flat clear over it for gloss reduction. plus u can go back and sand off all the flat and reshoot gloss clear if u wanted to get rid of the flat look.

 

thats good advice. also that method will make for a clean top coat that you dont always wind up with after many coats of various materials.