Your government wants to track EVERY car ALL the time

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40795

 

Doesn't surprise me...I'm thinkin' new cars with OBD III use a lot of this technology already.

R-

 

That's ****ed up.

 

I dont believe it will happen any time soon, nor am I worried at all about it

 

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I've probably muddled some of the details, but essentially someone got in an accident and killed someone. The case revolved around whether or not the guy driving did anything to avoid the accident. The cops believed he was driving too fast, and didn't stop. The black box in the car recorded the guys speed to be way over the limit, and the fact the guy never hit the brake pedal before the accident.


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In the story referred to above, the car was a Corvette (I think '95 Corvettes were the first car to have this technology). The police used data from the car's computer to get the driver convicted of vehicular homocide or manslaughter. It was big news in the car magazines at the time.

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My new Chrysler has a black box that records speed, braking and various other reactions before the airbags deploy. This technology is nothing new and inevitable. The technology has been around since 1995. Satellite and GPS tracking would take the whole thing to the next level.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist nor do I care too much. I have no intention of killing anyone or myself with my vehicles any time soon...

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Damnit Manyol!
Don't get me started....
Government = The biggest GANG in town.

If they have the technology to follow the cars and "prevent accidents"? then they have the technology and responsibility to have their ****ing surveilance system send a governing signal to the car so it won't speed in the first place rather than just a ticket after the fact.

I hate ****ing governments.....**** **** **** fu

 

Now now Doc J, they haven't kept me from doing 30 foot burnouts quite yet. I don't think theyd be too keen on 130mph trips to vegas either.

 

It suggests in the article that the authorities could "read" the car's "black box" and issue citations based on the speed history it has recorded...
Are you going to try and tell me you don't "flow with traffic" at the 75-85 mph most people do on So. Cal. freeways ALL THE TIME? Can you imagine what a day in day out multiplication of speeding tickets would cost if they decided to check it once a year? They would ****ing OWN YOUR ***and paycheck for the rest of your life!!

 

Is it 1984 or 2004... Orwell was just about 20 years off...

 

The figure they settled on for deployment is quite interesting...

"$666 Million", wonder how they came up with that one?

(If you have Power Point):

http://www.its.dot.gov/speeches/its-prg[1].ppt

 

Roger you are right the technology has been used in some form or fashion for awhile now,ie.....postal service,UPS,FedEx and various trucking companies. However I don't think we have to worry about this happening any time soon. I'm with the rest of you---I don't like it and it scares me a little to think government is digging deeper into our private and personal lives. This is directed more toward new cars so what do we have to worry about?

 

Then again, when some ***hole in an H2 takes out your wife and kids at 70 in a school zone, maybe you won't mind having a little information about what happened.

 

No doubt man

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Is it 1984 or 2004... Orwell was just about 20 years off...

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Continuous war without an enemy that can ever surrender or be beaten = phony war on terror.

Pre-crime = arrests and people held without charges for years under the patriot act

news speak = everything that is reported on ABC, CBS, and esp. Fox.

Big brother = well. . . Big Brother. Except instead of force people actually WANT 24hr. "reality" t.v. surveilance.

I used to think that book was funny . . .until Florida 2000.

We could fight back but most of us are too fat to move.

 

Tinbender , I agree with you.All it did was find the guilty party.

 

Giving the info to the cops looks pretty much like it's on the radar too. Check the last 2 paragraphs...

I dug this out of one of their sites...

Dave Davis on:
Big Brother's Private Life

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In the June, 1998 issue of Car and Driver magazine, columnist Brock Yates rants about the use of E-ZP***, the electronic toll collection system in use by TRANSCOM in the New York area. According to Mr. Yates, the E-ZP*** system is intended, "To track the speed and location of E-ZP*** holders in a grand leap into the nightmare world of Big Brother-ism." In Mr. Yates fevered view, ***urances that systems such as EZ-P*** are intended to aid in congestion relief and to increase motorist convenience on tollways are brushed aside as just another big government lie. Such seemingly innocent intentions are merely irrelevant sidelines. In reality, Mr. Yates ***erts, such high-tech vehicle identification systems are linked philosophically to (gasp) photographic enforcement technology as tools of slavering and sleepless social engineers intent on (gasp, gasp) improving law enforcement, and otherwise over-regulating all aspects of mobility in our previously free society. He envisions a system that is not content with tracking people, it begins to control them. He warns of a future, "when the car might become a symbol not of freedom but of civil *******."

Ironically, at the same time, our friends in Washington, D.C. believe that too much data now being collected in real-time at traffic control centers is being irretrievably lost. (See ITS as a Data Resource.) It is argued that much of this data should be archived for use by researchers. Presumably, the use of this mountain of information when properly sifted by armies of researchers using the most modern supercomputers can unlock secrets to traffic flow the likes of which we have never seen.

Meanwhile, privacy issues are being raised with increasing frequency as con****uously mounted video cameras sprout like technological weed stems along roadways. With sufficient camera density in an area, it is possible to track a person from their office, across the parking lot to their car, out the driveway, onto the street, down the freeway to their exit, through their neighborhood and all the way home. A nefarious traffic management peeper could thereby learn a lot about certain individuals, a lot more than he should.

The point is that all of this automated vehicle identification and video technology makes the invasion of privacy possible. Unless someone can come up with a sure-fire way to make it impossible—and I am pessimistic about this—we ITS prac***ioners have to admit that it is possible for us to invade people's privacy. We have a real problem here. We have this problem even if we never really invade anyone's privacy. We have the problem because we have the power. Once you have the power, you are automatically suspected of using it. Once you are suspected, you can never prove your innocence. The ITS community is defenseless on the privacy issue.

The fact that ITS-enabled privacy invasion is not actually happening on any widespread scale is no defense. The fact that most people's private driving behavior is uninteresting is beside the point. The fact that the people minding the traffic operation center are too busy to track people in their mundane meanderings is irrelevant. The observation that most people who spend a lot of time worrying about having their privacy invaded are so boring as to make invading their privacy a waste of time is a waste of time. The only thing that matters is that ITS technology has given us power that can be misused. Any group with that kind of power is impossible for some people to trust.

On this privacy issue, ITS is in trouble, except in one area: law enforcement. It appears that Mr. Yates has picked the one area out of the privacy mor*** where ITS has clean intellectual hands. We actually do participate in a form of civil traffic *******. We are required to be obedient, respectful servants to the traffic laws. Each of us is expected to slavishly obey speed limits, stop signs and red lights. When we disobey, we can get punished. Who besides Mr. Yates does not know this?

Traffic is not a sport. Despite the desires of some motorists (many of whom may be Mr. Yates readers), traffic is not a game that can be won by repeatedly evading the detection of law enforcement. Authorities have every right to use technology to identify and gather evidence of unlawful activity. It is indisputably true that it will become a lot less fun to speed if the police have means of detecting and citing everyone who speeds. As a matter of fact, such a system would take ALL the joy out of driving too fast. That is the point of law enforcement, Mr. Yates, taking the fun out of breaking the law.

Mr. Yates merely picked the wrong example to use in his anti-ITS rant. If he had only known that, in the midst of the unsavory regions he habituates, ITS privacy invaders had been tracking his movements, gathering mounds of damaging information about his intimate motoring practices, he might have been more careful about raising the privacy issue. He might have learned the lesson all ITS prac***ioners should know: "Keep privacy issues to yourself!"

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Dave Davis' Day Job is Traffic Engineer for the City of Farmer's Branch, TX (a suburb of Dallas)


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Roger you are right the technology has been used in some form or fashion for awhile now,ie.....postal service,UPS,FedEx and various trucking companies. However I don't think we have to worry about this happening any time soon. I'm with the rest of you---I don't like it and it scares me a little to think government is digging deeper into our private and personal lives. This is directed more toward new cars so what do we have to worry about?

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This is directed more toward new cars so what do we have to worry about? Do you REALLY think they will let us drive our old cars without the new technology? They will make it mandatory for us to install it.

 

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I dont believe it will happen any time soon, nor am I worried at all about it

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You dont believe it, therefore its not gonna happen?

 

Ah, yes more laws and we don't have enforcement for the ones we already have.
It really doesn't matter to me because I will never own anything that new in my life. And what about the Onstar system. Mecedes has had a version of that for 12 years or so. They can tell where you are and disable the car at any time.
And you see those 18 wheelers with a little round thingy on top of the cab? Same thing, there are hauling some nasty **** and if hijacked can be shut down on the spot and tracked.

 

Don't get me started, if I say too much I'm done.

 

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Damnit Manyol!
Don't get me started....
Government = The biggest GANG in town.

If they have the technology to follow the cars and "prevent accidents"? then they have the technology and responsibility to have their ****ing surveilance system send a governing signal to the car so it won't speed in the first place rather than just a ticket after the fact.



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We have the technology available NOW to prevent cars from running into things. Onboard Radar can apply the brakes and steer the car. I read that GPS is in new cars because the Insurance companies want to know where you go and how many miles you drive. The insurance companies are not wasting any time about their costs for the recent Florida storms either. The insurance costs creep up all the time, but on my one of my houses, I just got my new premium notice. It was $420 last year, now they want me to pay $660!!! That is a helluva increase!
A wise fella told me, Insurance companies are NOT in the insurance business----They are in the Money-Making business.
Now Dr J you know theres no money to be Forced out of us by using technology to govern our speed--the money is in allowing us to speed, then Forcing us to pay.
Speed is not the factor causing wrecks anyway.

 

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... I just got my new premium notice. It was $420 last year, now they want me to pay $660!!! That is a helluva increase!
A wise fella told me, Insurance companies are NOT in the insurance business----They are in the Money-Making business.

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My homeowner's went up about that same percentage last year, it's the "gotcha factor" if you have a mortgage, ya gotta carry the insurance, so they gotcha!
They decided they needed to raise the levee on the Los ANgeles river because it might overflow in a "500 year rain" so they made everyone in the river's hypothetical flood plain take out flood insurance at about $400 a wack to one govt' flood insurance front company. well they took about three years to "fix" the levee at a cost of about two thirds of what they took in from the insurance, and kept the rest for profit.
Government = GANG

 

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They will make it mandatory for us to install it.

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Over here, that'd cause a change of Government.

I can't imagine a country with America's reputation for protecting their own civil rights going for that. I know I'd be pisssed if someone used such a piss poor argument to invade my privacy with that technology.

 

They'll have to do it after they disarm us...

 

I can see government forcing it down auto manufacturers throats just like they did with ABS brakes,seat belts and airbags. There selling point is that its all in the name of safety and that gets the m***es to buy into it. Granted I'm all for safety don't get me wrong and the before items have definitely proved to save lives. However where does it end? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. I just believe government has no place in our personal lives. There are plenty of other ways to make cars safer without tracking our whereabouts. I don't think it would ever be implemented on older vehicles. Hell we drive around now with plates that are good for five years, we are exempt from inspection stickers and emmisions testing so I think it's safe to say our hot rods and customs are gonna be ok.

 

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No doubt man

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Is it 1984 or 2004... Orwell was just about 20 years off...

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Continuous war without an enemy that can ever surrender or be beaten = phony war on terror.

Pre-crime = arrests and people held without charges for years under the patriot act

news speak = everything that is reported on ABC, CBS, and esp. Fox.

Big brother = well. . . Big Brother. Except instead of force people actually WANT 24hr. "reality" t.v. surveilance.

I used to think that book was funny . . .until Florida 2000.

We could fight back but most of us are too fat to move.



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Amen my brother. People are using this 9/11 mentality just like I thought they would. To enact every oppressive law they can.

And to the guy who said the thing about the H2 and my family, ya know, I'm actually willing to sacrifice some things for my freedom. If I have to pay through personal loss in order to retain my rights, then I will do so.

Regards,

BDE

 

This technology is already being used on p***enger cars, it's just not as widespread as they want it or public-known. OBDII was mandatory from 1996-up and it has the ability, and in some instances, the "Black box" has been used to save people from a guilty verdict. I don't believe OBDIII is out yet, mainly because it has the ability to shut your vehicle down, lock you in, etc and the government supposedly wouldn't p*** it into effect. That article confuses me with what I have been told for the last 2 years, unless the government thinks it's inadequate and theirs is better. And I've known you've all seen the commercials about OnStar unlocking people's doors for them...It's not GONNA happen in 2010, it's already out there.
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To all of you that think we are going to be exempt because we drive old cars, SURPRISE!!!!! With the stroke of a pen our cars could be outlawed and forever parked in the garage. Yea, I'm saying only to be used as yard art and then just as long as the neighbors don't complain.
We forget that everyone in Washington holds each others hand and slaps each other on the back regardless of party affiliation). Don't think for a second that if one (or a key few) of our "elected officials" gets it in his head that the country would be better off without 'ALL OF THOSE DANGEROUS OLD CARS' that the "buddy system" could get such a law p***ed. It's the only sure way to curb the rising cost of origional '32 Ford parts and cars.

Frank

 

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A wise fella told me, Insurance companies are NOT in the insurance business----They are in the Money-Making business.
Now Dr J you know theres no money to be Forced out of us by using technology to govern our speed--the money is in allowing us to speed, then Forcing us to pay.


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DING DING DING DING throw that man a bone.

As for conspiracy theory, I do not feel I am being paranoid in the least when I say these things will all be GRAVELY used later to completely control our lives. You can WATCH IT HAPPEN, slowly but surely. Here in the Los Angeles area they have cameras at many, many intersetions. Don't you think this will all add up later? I do. And it will happen, besides the fact that American citizens are too lazy or too busy to do much about it, the federal and state governments already have too much control. Therefore, they have the upper hand. And besides all that, there are p***ages in the Bible that speak of things like this in the last days. Since this is a Hot Rod board, I won't go into that, but some of you will know what I'm talkin' about.

 

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I can see government forcing it down auto manufacturers throats just like they did with ABS brakes,seat belts and airbags. There selling point is that its all in the name of safety and that gets the m***es to buy into it. Granted I'm all for safety don't get me wrong and the before items have definitely proved to save lives. However where does it end? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. I just believe government has no place in our personal lives. There are plenty of other ways to make cars safer without tracking our whereabouts. I don't think it would ever be implemented on older vehicles. Hell we drive around now with plates that are good for five years, we are exempt from inspection stickers and emmisions testing so I think it's safe to say our hot rods and customs are gonna be ok.

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I dont want to cause any hard feelings--this is only opinions--but go read RFs post-Big Brother Rules>>>>>>>California has finally decided to come down on hot rodders. After successfully raiding the Kit Car manufacturers, the Law (attorney general, local and DMV police, SCAQMD) has begun its target on rod shops. Their goal is to seek out "misrepresented" cars, namely fibergl*** hot rods. The main reason is simple: tax money. Cars built and subsequently sold in CA (and that's key that the sale is in CA) are being picked to the bone to not only verify its iden***y (ie '32 Ford roadster), but to prove that "adequate" taxes were paid.

Bottom line, the days of the $500 roadster are history. The State wants its money, and they're going after pretty much every hot rodder with a hot rod registered in CA.

One "major" shop has been "visited" so far (FBI-style!), and it will only escalate from here. Word has it they've already been taking plate numbers at car shows...joy is in the air!

 

Blownolds, You've got it nailed. That's the way they work, just introduce the idea, expand it slowly and before you know it WHAM, gotcha. If you've been paying attention, that's exactly what has been happening to our right to keep and bear arms. If Hillary is ever elected President we'll see the last nail in that coffin unless we wake up. Don't mean to be getting political, just being aware of a small thing called REALITY.
And yes, I'm aware of the Bible p***ages that you refer to.

Frank