Finned Drum ID Please

Can anyone ID these for me?...




My buddy wants to run 'em, but needs to know what they're off of so he can try to find the correct spindles.

Thanks in advance,

Bryan

 

Pontiac, looks like....?? Catalina wide hubs I believe. I have seen a few cars with something similar. Groucho has a set on one of his cars from what I remember...

 

Sorry, not what I thought they were!!

 

drums look like they are for a frankland QC rear

 

Yep some sort of rear QC with wide 5 wheel pattern and floater axles.

 

Early track stuff. They should bear a casting mark or stamp on them somewhere to indicate the brand.

These are REAR drums. Might be a tad difficult to fit them to the front. You can get snouts that can be welded to a rear axle housing of your choice, and custom axle shafts made, but the could be a bit spendy.


I build full-float 3/4 and 1-ton axle ***emblies for 4x4 stuff, which is nearly the same process, and could probably help you pull it off if you are really set on it.

Can you measure the two bolt hole patterns on the backing plate and the internal drum dimensions, that might help in identification?

I have seen some race stuff from this era that is set up to mount directly onto an OEM 3/4 or 1-ton rear axle. Trouble is, is that these are heavy, and often 65"-74" wide.

 

Yep, Quick change stuff.

 

Oh and, after posting (stupid brain), I noticed that the drum and hub may be separate pieces. If this is the case, there might be an easy way to get them onto '37-'48 front spindles, or a Banjo.

In the final year of Wide-5 Ford stuff (I am told), they went to a two piece drum/hub ***embly, from the previous integrated drum and hub. I am unsure if this was from Ford or was an aftermarket thing.

Pair those drums with these hubs and you should be in the game. I'd consider buying them from you if you decide to p***. I have an un-natural Wide-5 fetish.

 

Yes, the hubs are separate.

Rumor is that these came of an old circle-track car, so based on what you guys have told me, it's probably true.

That would be great if all we had to do is pair 'em with the hubs pictured above. Anyone know the exact details on them? Or better yet, Gimpy, you willing to part with yours?

Thanks for the help so far.

Bryan

 

I don't see why those couldn't be run on the front if you had a deep enough spindle and could find bearings to make it work. But what do I know. I do know sometimes you run into that same center piece attached to a modified Buick drum to get safety hubs with the wide-5 pattern and save a buck on the drum itself, back when Buick drums were relatively cheap to round up.

 

Don't they (racer suppliers) sell bolt on stubs with that huge diameter to go on your Ford spindles? I'm sure I've seen that before. The bolt pattern may be different than your backing plates, but you could then use '40 Ford brakes, or repro Lincoln brakes.

 

There are or used to be from the circle track companies stub spindles that bolted onto Ford spindles to use the rear hubs like that on the front. Main purpose I think was to strengthen the front for contact sport racing...used to be common. The actual parts are lifhtweight duplicates of Ford truck hubs using Buick drums with center cut out. Pattern is '37-9 Ford wheels or circle track equivalents.

 

Or just do this. (Here comes the weld Police!)

 

That solution was definitely discussed. We think we've got another one using '40 Ford spindles, some spacers, and the snouts that came with the hubs.

To answer an earlier question, the original bolt pattern is 4 on 4.75. After blasting the backing plates we found out they're Delco Moraines...part number appears to be 5456299, which I haven't been identify yet. Anyone have a reference for that?

Thanks again.

Bryan

 

looks like eary wide 5 style circle track drums. I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

 

Seems like pretty much any Bendix style with a wheel cylinder that bolts up would work as long as the brake shoes are the right diameter/width. I'd start comparing with Chevy or Pontiac stuff from the '60s if you can take a backing plate into the parts store and have them bring out the chinese wheel cylinders to see what matches up.

 

F'n brilliant! You guys never cease to amaze me. I have a pair of those snouts sitting next to the keyboard right now.

Oh, and I ride on my welds every day. I have been doing so for over 20 years. Somehow I am still here. What are the odds? Let's not start this again.

The banjo hubs that I showed earlier are up for grabs. The fronts might be, if I can ever make up my mind....

Still not pulling anything up on the backing plates. From the hole shapes and locations, and the anchor pin, they 'look' a bit like early Lincoln, although the recess is not the same.

Why not just run a set of '40 Ford juice plates? They are a "known" item, and can be found pretty easily.