you ever get so pissed when trying to sell something?

Price problems? In times like these? You're all joking here right? Is it April 1st?

Doesn't everyone know the rule about pricing things? You can't go up once it's out there. So the simple rule is to raise the price and make it a better deal. I had a 70 Cuda that was a pretty nice car, no, a real nice car. At the time they brought $4-5K so I put it out there for $4250. I got so many insulting offers I decided to keep it. 6 weeks later I came to my senses and asked $5750. I sold the car to the 1st guy out and he couldn't pay me fast enough MY FULL PRICE. Did the same thing with a Boss 302 (which I wish I still had) and a DEALER paid my full price.

Moral of the story kids, don't start out insulting yourself with a cheap initial offering. Must be junk right?

 

i sold my model A. guy gave me what i was asking. had another guy waiting behind him willing to give me more. sold it to the first guy. i can't complain.

 

I get the "What's your bottom dollar?" bit quite a lot. I usually say "Have you got cash on you right now?" When they start doing the "uh..." thing, I know immediately that they haven't got the cash on them and tell them the asking price is the bottom dollar. If they do have cash, I tell them to start laying it out and I will tell them when to stop. At that point, the "bottom dollar" has been reached.

If the question is being asked on the phone, I immediately tell the person that the listed price IS the bottom dollar.

Sorts out the serious buyer from the bullshitter, right off the bat.

BTW, I do NOT feel sorry for new/used car salespeople whatsoever. If the majority of them did not act like total slimy-assed douchebags, then I might have a different opinion. The average consumer was not terribly informed in the days pre-Internet, and now they ARE. The car dealers can't stand a person that is educated on their sales tactics. Yes, I know there are a few guys here on the HAMB that make a living selling cars. The majority in your chosen career make it pretty damn hard for the handful of honest dealers. Kinda like lawyers, politicians, and such.

 

Im selling late model VW at the moment and am getting all the dumb questions and offers. Thing that sucks is I am very good about posting tons of detailed pics and write a very long discription yet I still get the same dumb questons. The people dont even read the post if they did they wouldnt be asking stupid questions. It makes you hate people but you gotta just blow it off.

I had a guy come by the shop the other day the car im selling was outside and a deaf guy wanders in and asks how much the car is. I write down the price on a piece of paper 4500. He takes the paper shakes his head and puts his finger over a zero WTF. Mind you this is a very clean car thats worth more then what im asking. I just crumbled up the paper and went back to welding. I saw the guy drive away in his Kia.

 

Tried to sell a Makita 9.6 cordless 3/8 drive impact with the charger,two batteries and a flash light for 60 dolars on CL and had someone offer me 30. So I reply back that I paid about 200 for it and a couple years ago I replaced both batteries at about 40 each so its 60 and not 30,it looks like I might just give it to someone who can use it since I wil never use it again since I bought a snap on 14.4 that kicks its ass.

 

I rarely ever get PO'd, I have my health, not fighting in the middle east, not in an unemployment or welfare line (retired) so I'm lucky.
If getting pissed would sell the car, then ok get pissed. The only person hurt by getting pissed is you!! Never let them see you sweat, just smile and point to the end of end of your property and tell them goodbye. You don't get an ulser and you still have your vehicle to sell to someone else.

 

WOW, what a nob.

1- take yer medicine.
2-open your eyes and ears, have a look at YOUR industry. Now think it thru again. You know, how ALL the customers are stealing from YOU and YOUR dealership and the poor million dollar bonus auto manufacturers.
3-watch TV, listen closely the Gospel of the car dealer.
4-get a real job. lawyer, politician, marketing all very similar to stealing ah,
I meant selling new cars to folks that think they can afford them.

Ah, I better stop, b4 I really get started....?

And back on topic, yes, selling can suck, as can people.
However, I just sold my spare 235 L6 on CList and met some really nice folks that I'll try to stay in touch with, refreshing.

H

 

I think 60's trucks are a smaller niche and so I'd make sure I hit all the relevant sites. If the truck is not running, driveline out, you might get some insulting offers.

 

I went thru this just last month selling a car. One guy sends me a message that he'll take it and tells me to call him. I call and set up a time for him to meet me the NEXT day. Never shows, never calls, nothing. Pissed me off, but you figure you're bound to run into the flakes, so I post on the ad that the buyer backed out, and surmise that maybe his mom wouldn't let him get it. I get a PM from the SAME user I.D. saying that the guy I had talked to had died 12 hours before he was supposed to be here, and that this was his cousin and I should apologize. WTF? Are you kidding me?

The next day a guy who was 500 miles away called me about it and then Paypal'd me the money to hold it for him till he got here the next morning with cash. After he handed me the cash I went in and refunded his Paypal payment. The whole deal literally took 2-3 minutes. Wish they could all go like that.

 

I went to the dealer last week, the sales manager put the wrong model on the invoice, to the tune of about 1500 dollars extra. until I used my phone to browse to the manufacturer site and SHOW him the MSRP he still argued that it was right. He also put every dealer installed item on the invoice, including 3yr oil change services which are already included in the purchase price, 1000 dollars. He misquoted my trade in by 1000 dollars. He didnt take the trade in value off until after he had taxed the total, that would have given him and extra $400 free and clear. And he added 300 dollars to "deliver" the car, which didnt include a wash or wax or vacuum or even new car smell, after discussing it it was revealed that all that would be extra and it literally meant to drive the new car from the back of the lot to the front. Then he wanted 100 dollars for floor mats.

I told him I didnt care about his dealer markup, which was $567 dollars, but I was not going to be taken advantage of.

You want to know why everyone thinks car dealers are scummy rip-off artists? Because they are.

 

DrHerb, you REALLY need to get into a different profession.

OP-welcome to the "real world" of selling project vehicles that you've lost interest in. Unfortunately, you picked a vehicle that isn't really popular as a project and has a very large supply of project-type vehicles. You may be better off parting it out and selling the new boxed parts on Ebay. Craigslist is lowballer heaven, and if you've posted it at a lower price or had it on there for a while you'll NEVER get your asking price. I buy and sell on CL a lot. You just gotta sort through the BS'ers and wait for the right buyer sometimes.

One thing that REALLY winds me up about BUYING on CL is calling a seller shortly after they post something, letting them know I'm on my way with cash, and showing up and either a) the seller already sold it to someone who called after I did, or b) the price has gone up because someone called them on the phone and said they would give them more than the asking price. I've even gotten a few call-backs from sellers who had raised the price on me after their "buyer" didn't show up.

 

1. noooo...im serious. think about it. really think about the way you act when you shop for a car?
are you honest with the person selling?
are you nice to him/her when they greet you on the lot?
do you give the common decency of a call back to tell him you bought elsewhere? or maybe even give him the chance to match your price??

2. as far as needing a new job...thats a fact!!

3. now the dealer who "ripped the guy off" cause he owes more on his truck then its worth....did he finance the taxes and fees? did he put down the 20% cash recommended in every "how to buy a car" book? did he finance for 72 months to get that nice low payment??........the reason he, and alot of other people, are in this position is gread! wanting more then one can afford. wanting and willing to do anything to get some fancy new truck with all the buttons?

yall want to know something.....how not to be upside down??? its not a secret....dont finance it?!!?? yall know that.

people on this site know and understand how to not get themselves into financial shit town better then most people. you, the guy who is willing to build it himself, rather then take out a second mortgage to pay someone else to do it. the one who is patiant and searchs for the bargain rather then getting that second mortgage and blows the whole wad on some perfectly foosed street rod.

i just hope that yall do the smart thing when you have to finance something, like a house, or a new car for the Mrs....treat the person selling it with respect. put enough money down to be in a position of equity. keep the loan short. make sure it is something you can afford even in ruff times.

sorry about that comment about being glad the economy is screwed up. thats not true. its retarded actually.

 

I can afford a lot more new vehicles than I buy, in large part for just this reason. I would rather eat a big bug than go through this crap. I have a lot of hope that the agency format is dying, and we will be able to buy a car from a retailer or directly off the net. I have a friend that really gets off on matching wits with the car dealers; I keep telling him he needs to become a buyer's rep for a flat fee.

 

Life's to short to fuck with it. Post it on craigslist, don't list your phone number, just use their "Reply to". Ignore and delete the low ball offers or stupid trade offers. If you get a decent offer then send 'em an e-mail with your phone number. It helps keeps the blood pressure down and you don't have to deal with the idiots.

 

Ya I hear ya, let me check with my manager. (45 minutes later)
No we can't do that, let me check with my manager.
I have played the dealer game too many times! Most car salesmen are ASSHOLES!!! I heard one brag how he gave a couple $2500 trade in for an $8000 car! Especially at the big dealers.

 

this is very very true!

i dont mind a educated customer. one that is a ready? knows what he is gonna pay and is okay with it? oh god please!!! please send me some.

its the ones that think that they are educated because they look online at some ad, never reading all the "small print", then come into argue that price?? and there is NO reason to treat someone like shit. someone that you have just met.

one more thing...why is it that a car dealer must inform everyone of how much he owns his cars for?? invoice price!! what do you all make? how much profit are any of you making?? if you are selling anything....should u have to tell me how much you pay for it?? why is it anyones business what a car dealer pays for his cars?? why is it so crazy for a car dealer to mark up his cars? it should be against the law to post the invoice of a car online. if YOU invested $30,000.00 in a car that you want to sell at a profit....how much return would you want on your investment? what would seem fair??

lets say the dealer inherits a car and puts it on his front line?? now whats it worth? should he sell it for $2,000.00 cause he didnt pay anything for it? would you??

 

some car dealers/sales people are total assholes. some lie and cheat and steal their way to a pay day. thats bullshit too!!! AGREED!!

most of them dont last very long in todays market place. that was the way things where 20 years ago. pre-internet. those days are over.

some are very honest. they intend to make a profit, and they will. but they do it in a honest way. nothing wrong with that. if more customers did business that way....the entire process would go much smoother.

my point was only that...treat the salesperson of the next item you buy(cars included) the way you would like to be treated. on top of this issue, you guys are seeing what sales people see everyday as well. we have 5X the people described in these posts then we see actual qualified buyers.

 

just today I had an a-hole low ball me and get mad when I replied no... his reply to my "get real" was to pump his font waaaay up and tell me "the real world boy" to which I replied that pumping up his font size wasn't going to change my mind... and he continued his lame assault by telling me that he wasn't going to change his mind and I was as dumb as i sound... I was tempted to tell him to bring his cash over and I would load it for him... and then shove it up his a$$ when he got here... but then again I do have ptsd or so the docs keep saying... I disagree tho , i just hate idiots.. lol

 

The last time I bought a car from a dealership, I asked the salesman how much the car was selling for. He replied with a question of his own, "Well, how much can you afford for a monthly payment?" That kind of shit is what pisses me off and think poorly of all car salesman (at least in dealerships). You might be different Dr. Herb, but honestly, I doubt it. Why? Because if you are making a living selling cars at a dealership, you can't afford to buck the system. The system you work under doesn't allow for honesty, it isn't geared toward it.

I have told a salesman, flat out, "I'll pay $xx,xxx...period. If not, that's fine, I'll look at something else on the lot." If you can't figure out that he came back with a higher number then you've been living under a rock. On top of everything else, the asshat looked shocked when I asked him if he had fucking mud for brains. No, I don't think much of car salesmen at dealerships, sorry.

 

[QUOTE="sickboy";4228370]yea i had that guy , only he wanted me to pick him up at the air port when i told him i wouldnt ship . [/QUOTE]
I guess to make a sell I could pick up at the airport if it was a driver he would buy it or I would drop him off on the wrong side of the tracks .

 

I sold cars for years. Customers lie far more often than the salesperson. If you are willing to lie to buy a car I'm not sure why one would get offended because someone was willing to lie to sell a car.

As far as........

The last time I bought a car from a dealership, I asked the salesman how much the car was selling for. He replied with a question of his own, "Well, how much can you afford for a monthly payment?"

It's a tough business and the turn over is large. This is all many "salespeople" are taught to say and then are sent out to "sell" a car.

The only way to stay in the business is on repeat business. Find out one of the more senior salemen and ask for him. He's still there because of repeat business and you don't get repeat business by messing with people.

 

that depends on how smooth and warm his brand of bullshit flows from his mouth... its all about how gently things are done.

fuck someone gently and smoothly enough that they enjoyed it, and didnt KNOW they were being fucked... they'll come back in 5 years for a fresh fucking

 

I should have been more clear. Find a guy who has been at that dealership for a long time. The guy noted above will sell cars for years but he will go from place to place because the owner and his problems catch up to him.

Isn't the idea to be happy with your purchase? It's funny how often times a person would walk in who made really good money and would get offended because the dealership needs to make a few bucks on the purchase.

The guy who would go on strike because the company wanted to cut back breaks 15 minutes but didn't give a flying flip that the salesman was having a tough time paying his bills. Some of those guys making $30 an hour are now losing their jobs because cars aren't selling.

 

A guy low balled me on a 2k item one time offered 500 I said ok cash will be fine. Could not even produce the cash said it woul be a couple days. I love when tire kickers dont even have what the offer. I am glad he didn't because I sold it to someone who needed the part for 1200 a few days later and we were both happy. When I off I have cash, unless it is something that needs a contract!
It takes all kinds I guess.

 

OP, the problem is it's a stalled project. People assume either you've lost your job or have some problem you desperately need cash for, you've discovered you're in over your head or there is some major problem you're not telling them, or they think "I can get one that drives for the same money so this should be worth a lot less" ... and the other problem is guys who actually want to pick up a project and build it are just not that common. Most people are lazy fucks who want it handed to them ready to go - which is fine in some situations, but it amazes me the people who just have utterly no concept of being able to take a car apart to the last bolt and put it back together again.


I had a guy call the other day on a '40 Buick that hasn't been on the road in 30 years, sits there with some broken windows and the grille out, and he wants to know if the exhaust on it is any good.


I also get these assholes on eBay on a regular basis about once a month who go on to tell me how my prices are too high and I should lower them if I want to sell the stuff. When I tell them I don't have to sell anything and I don't care, it's like I'm speaking Hindu or some shit. Either the cars are too expensive, or too rough... like the guy last week who told me that no one fixes rotty, rusted cars. I directed him to a thread here where not only did a guy put rockers, floors and quarters on a car, he had to scratchbuild the quarters from other parts like a goddamn jigsaw puzzle.

I even got a few on here along those lines. I just don't get that mentality. When I go to the store and I see something I think is junk or is too expensive, I go to another store, I don't find the checkout clerk or the manager and follow them around like a whiny little bitch complaining about it. I don't ask them if I can just buy the left sleeve off a T-shirt, either. So if you don't like my stuff, my prices, don't like me.. Don't buy my stuff. That's a concept even a 5 year old should be able to handle.


I'd say just be patient, even in a good economy it takes a long time for the right guy to find your project to be something he likes. I sold a car two weeks ago and an engine last week.

Also, OP - if it has $4000 in parts with it, ask $5000 for the works. A super low price, besides bringing out the cheapskate penniless fucks, may also make people wonder if the parts with it could be stolen or something. At $5000 if someone offers you $2500, it's sold and you got what you wanted and the prick thinks he stole it from you.

 

I forgot to mention, too, the guy who smashed the Ford and scrapped it - right on. Ford guys are CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP.

Case in point, I've done a local all-Ford car show three times. Only once did I do well, twice it's been the only show I barely made money at, or lost money at.

And I found a '64 Ford F350 crewcab truck with a savable cab that's not too bad especially for being a New York truck, although the rest of the truck is pretty much junk. I talked it around some Ford sites and had them telling me it wasn't even worth what it will bring for scrap metal. I bought it anyways, against my better judgement, but I figured it's worth the $350 I'll have invested even if I have to fill it with scrap and have it crushed myself - I can go back to all those same sites and post photos of what being cheap gets you, one flat crewcab.

So being a Ford hurts your project truck, too.

 

Being cheap only gets you a smallblock chevy too.

 

walked into a dealership to buy a new car, dealer says "rock bottom price is $32K".
I tell offer $26K out the door.
he tells me no way, he'll lose money for anything less then $30K, 1st lie.
I repeat, $26K out the door.
he drops the price to $29.500. another lie.
we do this for 4 hours. I never give in, not one dollar, I get up to leave 3 times, he calls me back each time.
I get it for my price of $26K , tax, license , everything.
so,
DON'T TELL ME CAR SALESMEN DON'T LIE. you know even at $26K he still made money off my purchase or he would not have sold the car so how much more would he have made if I paid the $32K "rock bottom" price?

 

You had the manufacturer kicking in some sort of huge rebate as cars don't have a $7000 plus mark up. Not in that price range anyways.

 

sorry forgot to add this was 3 years ago.