Hydrogen powered rods?

I was thinking...

It might be funny to run my flathead powered, post war roadster on Hydrogen. The irony makes me smile.

Anybody else thought about it?

Any fuel ingected car seems like an easy aplication. IF you can electronically control fuel distribution and timing, you can run as a duel fuel vehicle. If you could program the system for optimal performance on either gas or Hydrogen, you could run a switch to go between the two settings...

Just thinking out loud here...

If we don't find a way to adapt to the 'Anti-Oil' environment, we might end up victims of the rush to crush...

 

From my research,Hydrogen burns too quickly for a piston engine,
for optimum performance.

Propane,or Natural Gas is a better compromise,but then your back to the same supply and demand problem.

 

isn't it illegal too? hydrogen in cars, that is..

I remember reading about home brewed methane..
hippies with lots of pig **** and fertile imaginations..

or you could make your own alcohol.

moonshine might be more fun than bottled manure g***es

 

Moonshine Powered, I like that...It gives a new meaning to "Rum Runners" and bootleggers. Have to be careful "Driving Under the Influence" though.

 

On the Road with Charles Kuralt had a feature on a guy that ran a corncob powered Rambler. One of the funnier episodes...the thing looked like a rolling 5 alarm fire. What was the question again?



Mutt

 

Still going to build a 'Greasel' dragster that will smoke all you homos
Texas ********, to the Batphone!

 

There was a guy around here who was running a Pro Stock Chevelle(70-72)on LNG but I don't know if there was any benefit to it other than it was unique.Pretty serious car too.
Seems to me BMW and Mercedes-Benz have been playing around with hydrogen powered vehicles for quite a few years now as well as fuel cells.I think the two biggest problems with hydrogen is storage in the vehicle and a lack of refueling places.I'm not sure about the latent heat value of hydrogen vs. gasoline either;seems to me it is a bit lower than gas.
I think M-B (as are most of the European manufacturers)are leaning towards high tech diesel engines as the next big thing in automotive engines.Diesel technology has come a long way from the old oil burners of the 70's.

 

On the contrary..., the fuel cells were the main setback.

Check out this site for Hydrogen Vehicles including aircraft besides the "Hindenberg"...!

BMW, GM, and others had versions as early as the 70's but somehow hydrogen production made it costly...!

I've had conferences with Harry Braun (Author) and Dr David Slawson of Stirling Energy Systems discussing this very subject.

Someone bought many of the patents regarding Hydrogen powered piston engines and Dr Slawson holds the patents on the Stirling external Combustion engines which are far more efficient than the internal combustion engines.

Wasn't the "Polution Packer" a Hydrogen fueled rocket dragster...???

 

Don't you guys remember the Hindenburg??? The Pollution Packer was a hydrogen Peroxide rocket. Sparky

 

BMW is going to have a v-12 750i that will be duel fuel (run either on gas OR Hydrogen), gasoline and Hydrogen in I believe 2006. It will be available in europe where there are more filling stations. Nothing really needs to be changed on an internally combution engine but the mixture and timing to run low pressure g***eous Hydrogen. And as a matter of fact for low-pressure applications, you can use a propane tank.

There are about 7 Fueling stations in California. Gov Arnold just opened one up at LAX.

The problem with Low Pressure H-2 systems is the range. You can't get enough fuel in a tank at low pressure, gaseous state to run very far.

BMW has done studies on tank systems and found that a Hydrogen explosions, while more rapid than gas, burn straight up and very quickly so that it actually can be safer than a gasoline explosion which spread out and burns slowly. The tanks are dual walled, welded to X-Ray spec and rated to very high pressures.

Hydrogen is clearly the way of the future.

Methanol and Ethanol are already losing favor because they are corrosive and still have to be mixed with gasoline to combust properly (85% in currently available batches). Hydrogen fuel cells (Condenced cells that generate electricity to move cars) are a ways off so converting ICEs is the immediate sollution.

Clean burning, more efficient and cooler running...

 

I say we will see the day whe we can convert all sorts of engines. My idea is to develop a "hyrogen-oxide" type solution to inject the proper mixture.

 

I've heard allot of talk about Hydrogen powered cars, Toyota I believe is well and truely into the process and looking at production in the next 5 years (??)

A mate of mine over here in Aus told me about a V8 Aussie Fairlane that he drove which ran on Hyd' and he said it went quite well.

It scares me a little about the future of gas, and what that will mean to rodding, I'd hate to see it dissapear!

On the pig manure I've also heard of folks over here running on the stuff too.

Outback

 

Hydrogen doesn't come from a hole in the ground like oil does, you gotta make it. And to make it requires some source of energy, like coal or oil. Net gain? Nothing. Hydrogen takes more energy to make then you get out of it. if you are doing it to save the enviroment or to reduce costs, it doesn't work. Fosil fuels will be the most ecomonical and enviromentally friendly source of fuel for a very long time, anyone who thinks differently needs to take a basic chemistry cl***. David

 

Actually the reason the Hindenberg went up so rapidly was not due to the hydrogen but rather the aluminized coating on the fabric skin of the ship.Aluminum powder is EXTREMELY flammable and very dangerous.Ask anyone who is familiar with explosives.It is used in practically every home made bomber's creations.
There was also that rocket cart from Turbonique that ran on propylene oxide(another great rocket fuel).

 

Is Dr. David Slawson the same guy that invented the two wheeled gyro scooter thing and the Stirling water purification system that third world countries are using by donation? I'd love to know more about this guy if it's all the same person.

 

the oceans are a literal sea of hydrogen and oxygen and m*** in motion,
energy sans petrol.

 

To get H2 from water, it does take an energy source but not necesarily oil or carbon based...

One way is to use an electronic charge p***ed through the water...

They are currently working on using solar energy and wind energy for this process.

Net gain? A hell of a lot more than "Zero"

 

Burn some more coal to generate that electric charge to break the water into its basic elements...

Solar & wind are not nearly mature enough to generate this kind of consistent electricity on a large enough scale to be considered anywhere near feasible.

Nuclear is the way to go if you want clean air & water...but that opens another can of worms.

Fuel cells are great & will likely be the future for most automobiles (Isn't Chicago running most of their busses on them?), but still a ways off. The overwhelming majority of fuel cell patents are held by just a few companies, so there is considerable research going into these & they're nearly infinitely variable in size - from tiny to fit in your cell phone to large to run your house to huge to run giant factories. The extreme sizes are still meeting challenges, but a house size fuel cell is very feasible today & several prototypes & limited-production fuel cells exist in this capacity...

Hydrogen's challenge as a combustible fuel (as opposed to fuel cell usage) is storage & distribution...

 

Yes...,

And for the folks that are aware that it takes energy to produce Hydrogen are forgetting the fact that there are Billions of dollars expense to mine and refine Oil from the earth...!

Dr Slawson has many ways to produce hydrogen using solar, hydraulic, wind, and high efficiency gen sets....!!!!!!!!

Just read the book "The Phoenix Project" By Harold Braun and you'll see a couple of different methods used for production of energy.

 

Here's a story that was posted on fark.com about a wood powered rig.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/11145072538530.xml

 

Try Looking Up Bio-diesel.

 

A hydrogen only engine is a no no .Thats why Stan Meyer ,also injected a fine water spray ,along with a small portion of exhaust gas to retard the burn speed .A normal 7 plate tank cell with KHO should return noticable gains in fuel economy.Timing must be moved close to TDC and riding the va***e and torque sweet spot is the final trick to making these things work .But DONT expect 50 to 75 per cent gains.......... yet.

 

Have you tried advancing timing and driving like that, and switching the magic box off, and see if you still get the increase? I'll bet you do...since the hydrogen booster concept is complete utter ********.

 

As kids my brother and I used to joke that my dad's car must be methane powered...

 

oh boy this is an old hydrogan thread, sense this thread started air cars have come along way

 

Guess what you can get a lot of Hydrogen from crude oil, so same mob calling the shots, or maybe get your Hydrogen from water, just build a nuclear power plant or three to make enough electricity to split the h from the Ho2.

Had to laugh at a bloke over here rattling on about making his car “clean and green” by putting in an electric motor and deep cycle batteries- “just plug it in” overnight ready for the trip to work in the morning and have a power out let out in the car park. Got all upset when I pointed out that “plugging it in” made it coal powered.

We have cars being converted to LPG – liquid petroleum gas – hardened valve seats, re curve the distributor and your good to go cuts your fuel bill almost in half, superchargers love LPG.

 

The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy:
http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/index.htm

One of very few really sane takes on alternative fuels:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

 

I thought Jesse James proved that Hydrogen can make a fast car slow?

 

A "hydrogen-oxide" solution, hmm that sounds familiar...

Wait I've got it!

Dihydrogen Monoxide, and It's all ready been invented. We even gave it a snazzy nickname, I just know you're going to love it. Get this, we call it...

WATER!!! lol

Now, if only we could use it somehow?

 

hydrogen is going to be used in everything you can think of, gas apliances can all be run on hydrogen and they have been showing up at trade shows for years, anywhere the sun shines or the wind blows is a good place to produce hydrogen.