IS GREEN ANTI-FREEZE BEING PHASED OUT???!!!

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I got some of the "Tech"[blue jug] brand ,walmart sells and it was green and 4.99 instead of 8 dollars.
gotta be careful with them selling prediluted anti freeze/water [50/50]
and guess what?that shits higher than full strength!

 

VT, a buddy of mine who is a professional machanic told me that he thought it was going to be phased out. Better stock up I guess.

Tried to call ya earlier. If the weather is decent tomorrow come on up to the cruise in.

 

Woha, wait, fill me in. What's with the new stuff and eating up engines?

I had no idea that there was anything other than etholine glycol to antifreeze!

 

yeah ! now i'm curious too!what's this dex cool stuff you speak of and why is it so bad!?I bought some antifreeze at wal mart here in canada 2 or 3 months ago and it looked pretty green to me.since it gets "engine block crackingly cold" here in the winter i take anti freeze pretty seriously.had a sbc 305 crack pretty bad one winter in a car years ago,didn't have enough antifreeze!

 

I'm really concerned about this too. Being the overachieving dork I am, I put the orange shi.....um...stuff, yea, stuff in my brand new flathead. Come to think of it, I've had head sealing and seepage problems since day one and I'm worried that over the winter it might screw up the inside of my motor.

I spose I should dump out all the orange, but how can I make sure that when I put the green stuff back in that I got all the orange out? Doesn't the new orange DexCrap stuff no play friendly with the green stuff?

 

I work at Advanced Auto, and it does seem like they are phasing out the green stuff, we get more and more of the "universal" anti-freeze in all the time, what was one rack of it has taken over until theres only one rack of regular green stuff left.
Haven't had any customers say anything bad about the new stuff, but alot of them avoid it if they can.

 

I think that the Prestone has been "yellow" for about the past 5 years. I haven't had any problems with it in anything I've run.

 

I worked at a GM dealership for 5 years. The Dex-cool looked liked tabacco juice in the overflow container if you drove the car everyday and had it for over 2 years. I could just imagine what it looked like in the radiator and cooling system. There was alot of people switching there systems out with green at that time. As far as green/orange mix, we were always told that they would break each other down and would be useless in cold weather.

 

I have never heard of such things EEK!!!!!!! G.M. is winning! jus kiddin , I am very interested to know also why this is becoming harder to find. And I am also curious as to what that line code says on the bottom of 51 LEADSLED'S posts .Thanx swaZZie

 

I dont' think it'll be phased out completely, at least not really soon. As far as I've been able to tell theres not really any difference in the new stuff effectiveness compared the old. Mainly just a color change.

 

shit man, anti-freeze(don't you call it COOLANT in TN?) ain't TRADITIONAL! you gotta show all the poseurs you know what time it is, you gotta be mixin alcohol and water in the winter, the same time you run the points, then drain the alcohol in spring, when you're setting the points again.

 

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Rubbing alcohol or WHITE LIGHTNIN'?

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Don't waste good white lightin' bro! Ouch.

Anyway, if any of you fellas have an Autozone (yeah, yeah, I know, they do it to me to. LOL) then stop by there. The cheapie brand is bright green and old fashioned. But maybe not traditional.

 

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And I am also curious as to what that line code says on the bottom of 51 LEADSLED'S posts .Thanx swaZZie

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H*A*M*B

I knew it was binary code, so I searched and found this: Binary Converter

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I think I'm going to have to buy a few drums of the green stuff.

 

So what about the stuff made by Amsoil if all the others go bye-bye? Or is that stuff way too expensive? I wouldn't think so, since you don't change it all the time like oil.

 

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I worked at a GM dealership for 5 years. The Dex-cool looked liked tabacco juice in the overflow container if you drove the car everyday and had it for over 2 years. I could just imagine what it looked like in the radiator and cooling system. There was alot of people switching there systems out with green at that time. As far as green/orange mix, we were always told that they would break each other down and would be useless in cold weather.

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I guess we've been lucky, the 99 pickup with dexcool still looks ok (no mud that I've seen) after 6 years, changed it about a year ago (put orange stuff back in). I put the orange stuff in the 55 when I did the motor 3 yrs ago, no noticable problems with it.

I do remember working on some cars from the mid 80s in the early 90s that had the green stuff from the factory, and it was never changed, after 5 or 6 years it was like coffee, and holes eaten thru threaded plugs, etc.

so if you run the green stuff, make sure to change it every 2-3 years.

I don't know what's the real story on the orange stuff, maybe it's bad, maybe there are contributing factors?

maybe we should all move to socal where they don't need antifreeze?

 

Timely post. Today my wife's 96 Olds is in the shop getting the Dexcool flushed out and replaced with regular green ethylene glycol AF.

We've had the car about 5 months, 70K on it. Checked the coolant last week and there's all this brown sludge in it . . . thought at first that oil was getting into the coolant. Did some research and found that the Dexcool tends to break down.

Guy at the shop says he's seen a lot of problems with it -- it erodes gaskets and really attacks aluminum. Says he's seen dime-size holes in aluminum parts caused by this crap. In addition, the sludge clogs heater cores and radiators, and can plug radiator caps, causing too much pressure to build up, causing gasket failures.

Think I caught this one in time -- no major cooling system problems. Yet.

later,
Steve.

 

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This is kinda like the mess VW got into in the 80's with the vanagon. The heads were an aluminum that broke down in antifreeze. You had to buy special antifreeze from the dealer for $$$. If you ever dee a cheap vanagon with coolant leaking from the heads, run

 

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Guy at the shop says he's seen a lot of problems with it -- it erodes gaskets and really attacks aluminum. Says he's seen dime-size holes in aluminum parts caused by this crap. In addition, the sludge clogs heater cores and radiators, and can plug radiator caps, causing too much pressure to build up, causing gasket failures.


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DIME SIZED HOLES?!!! AAHHH! I have over $1000 into my polished heads alone, that totally sucks! Ok, I know what I'm doing this weekend.

Would it be best drain the radiator of the orange stuff, then fill the entire system a few times with plain water, and keep draining it til its clear, then fill with green stuff? Of course I'd be checking the freeze level with the little mix tool you can get. I just dont want to have any bad reactions in the system of the orange mixing with the green.

p.s. glad to see I'm not the only geek on the board. Now go get this orange shit out of your motors and get back to building something sweet!

 

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Timely post. Today my wife's 96 Olds is in the shop getting the Dexcool flushed out and replaced with regular green ethylene glycol AF.

We've had the car about 5 months, 70K on it. Checked the coolant last week and there's all this brown sludge in it . . . thought at first that oil was getting into the coolant. Did some research and found that the Dexcool tends to break down.

Guy at the shop says he's seen a lot of problems with it -- it erodes gaskets and really attacks aluminum. Says he's seen dime-size holes in aluminum parts caused by this crap. In addition, the sludge clogs heater cores and radiators, and can plug radiator caps, causing too much pressure to build up, causing gasket failures.

Think I caught this one in time -- no major cooling system problems. Yet.

later,
Steve.

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The ironic part was GM new that was happening with Dex-cool and they still continued to use it. It really raises more hell with the Vortec 6's especially. Just something about how that engine runs. But doesn't do any favors for the rest of engines either.

 

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I hear you on that... !
Mark

 

Here is my original post.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=595412&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

monkey

 

I'd really like to know the difference, if any between the Deathcool and Yellow Pestone.

I do know that Dexcool is shit. Do a search on it and you'll find page after page of problems with GM cars and Dexcool.

Mrs. Krupas 99 blazer drove me nuts! I flushed it at 70,000 about 6 months after we bought it used and the coolant looked like coffee.
Then the heater core plugged up and wingnuts and I spent two days flushing/back flushing the system and got it working.

Next the water pump fails, more gunk in the system than before, so I get a shop to power flush and replace the pump.

Runs good and cool for two months till the weather starts to get cold then, the heater core clogs again.

Flush it out once more and I mean flush it out, let it flush for an hour straight. Ran water for a day and flushed it again. Bypassed the heater core because by this time the vents are fogging the windows and its stinking up the inside of the car.
Put green stuff in and it ran fine for about 8 months.

Winters coming, (although it only lasts two months it does get cold down here) so I flushed the heater again.
I got clear water with great flow running through it, no leaks I could see. Cool! Hooked the hoses back up.

Wife calls, the blazers over heating, windows fogging up etc...

Book calls for 20 hours or something ridiculous to replace the heater core.
I don't have time do try it my self with work, band commitments and the Mrs. driving 60 miles round trip to work.

Screw it, the thing uses too much gas and we all know how gas prices are, it’s got 105000 miles on it and I'm sick of working on it.

Took Mrs. Krupa and her Blazer to the Toyota dealer last night and traded it in on a Scion xb.
She digs it, it gets 34 mile to the gallon and it has a nice warranty.
I have my freedom back! I can work on my projects instead of messing with her late model every week.

Dexcool SUCKS!!!!!

 

Here's a link to the GM TSB on flushing --

http://forums.vmag.com/suvsuburban-0902/messages/2857.html

They recommend using a Prestone or similar cleanser between flushign out the old and pouring in the new. Of course, they want you to put Dexcool back in, but we're no fools.

Steve.

 

<font color="green"> You been spying on me?

I swear we are going through the same damn thing right now.

I'm flushing that pig and running the water, then will go with the yellow and hopefully it will get us by long enough to trade it in.

She wants a Diesel Jetta, those damn things get 46-48 MPG.

Which Scion is that? The rolling shoebox or slightly rounder one?


Oh yeah, she has the upside-down problem too. Rolled over a debt from the damn Mustang her X bought. </font>

 

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Here's a link to the GM TSB on flushing --

http://forums.vmag.com/suvsuburban-0902/messages/2857.html

They recommend using a Prestone or similar cleanser between flushign out the old and pouring in the new. Of course, they want you to put Dexcool back in, but we're no fools.

Steve.

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Damn! No wonder they want $400 to flush em' at the dealer!

That's the problem with the stuff. So what if it's supposed to last for 150,000 miles, it's so intolerant of any variation it's set up to fail.
Then the steps to correct the problem are way too involved.

How is anybody that grew up helping Dad flush the radiator every fall going to know that they might screw up the Dexcool in there new Chevy by just checking the fluid level in the radiator?
I say Shame on GM for not doing anything to correct this.
I know they're losing some long time customers over this stuff.

I was just at the parts store this morning and got to talking to a fellow that was having the same problems with his 98 Chevy truck.
He was switching to regular coolant.

 

I gotta diesel bug (bought used) and it's great on fuel consumption.. too bad diesel is 20 cents/gallon higher than gas right now..

Antifreeze: The green stuff corroded a QUARTER sized hole right through a stock aluminum Chevy intake manifold on my '74 350 block..

Dexcool attacks aluminum (notorious for that)..

But I've seen the green stuff do the same. The best advice is to run your car with an anode radiator cap (it's a cap that draws the bad shit out of coolant)

Also, FLUSH that stuff regularly. I think most corrosion happens from lack of maintainance.

My Vdubs run with this pink coolant that costs like 8 dollars A QUART. It's a fucking ripoff, but the shit supposedly lasts the lifetime of the car (I don't know if that means it's really good coolant, or VW knows they make shitty cars...)

Tech2000 Walmart stuff I've bought this year is green. But so is the Prestone that I've bought. I live in Iowa.