Arkansas hot rodders beware....

We Arkansans have had a good thing going for years with our antique license and ***le laws but there are actions being taken to mess this up by the restorer group. The movement is being pushed by, MOTTA and The Dixie Car Club and George Beyers of Benton.
Beyers has taken it upon himself to photograph Arkansas Antique plates that are, in his words, "abusing our special plate" and sending the pics to Mr. Duren at the AFD. The result of these pictures is a letter from the licensing office telling you to surrender your plate or be you will be find.
The advantage to an antique plate in Arkansas is that it need not be renewed, it only costs $7.00 one time and you do not have to ***ess you car every year. If a hot rod can't be privy to this then why shouldn't a equally expensive restored (or not) car over 25 years old have to prove annually that they have insurance and that they have been ***essed for property tax at the amount they are appraised or insured for.
Goggle "Arkansas Antique Car Plates" for more info on this and bring up the "tinlizzy" results.
Beyers and his small group should consider that the majority of their vehicle can be found to have modifcation and accessories other than "seal beam lights, hydraulic brakes and seat belts that are permitted by the law.
Please boycott the Dixie Car Club shows and events

 

that ****s. it's time for you guys in Arkansas to organize yourself and lobby for "street rod" plates. we have them in Minnesota , $25 for the lifetime of the vehicle. you can use YOM plates too

 

WTF? Mr. Busybody is taking pics of "antique plates" and turning them in to the gestappo! Where do these self appointed watch dogs come from? And why should he care? People like this need a real job and a real life. Or, maby just a good old fashioned enema!

 

that is considering abusing?

 

George Byers is not a nice man.....I've talked to him a fair amount about this deal of his. He has run this up the flag pole several times....like every session. I've talked to Gilbert Baker about it giving him the heads up that George presents this thing like he has the overwhelming support of the AR car clubs, when in fact, he does not. George will not listen to you and takes great offense at you questioning whether he is going about this the wrong way.

Included in his deal is annual inspections by the state police of your car to verify that the car is 100% stock and not modified in ANY way (color, interior, engine, wheels, tires, etc.). As if the state police do not have enough to do without inspecting every cl***ic car in AR every year....never mind the fact that how on earth are they going to be the final expert on if your car is original or not?

 

There is nothing worse than a busy-body with a narrow agenda.

-Brad

 

talk to SEMA...........and yeah the clubs need to fight this

 

Yes we do have a street rodder plate, but I don't want to be called a street rodder anymore than Beyers does. As I stated before, if I need to prove annually that I have ***essed and insured my car, why shouldn't the antique-rs. If they don't drive them they don't need license. If I have to keep my car ***essed to get a new plate why shouldn't equally valuable antiques?

 

The sad thing about this situation is that State Legislatures follow the money just as investigators of corruption and crime do. The Legislators might just realize how loosely their little "favor" to old car cons***uents was written and decide to tighten up the rules and , well, duh, raise all the fees(taxes) in the process. If I was a taxpayer in AR and faced the dreaded personal property tax ***essment I think I'd have to move to say, Texas.

 

Ultimately, George finds that any vehicle that has an antique plate on it that is not as "worthy" as his 28 roadster pickup is a personal offense and is an attack upon his car. You read through his correspondence on that tinlizzie site and you will see him say that his car demands/deserves respect and other cars, while worthy of some sort of attention, they are not worthy of the respect his car is....therefore all the "lesser" cars need to be stripped of their plates so that his antique plate on his prized car makes it stand out as THE car you should respect. :/

 

it looks like they are well organized and committed to their cause , as misdirected as it is. i'll say it again....you need to organize to fight this. and as already suggested , get Sema involved

 

Here in Louisiana we have a "Street Rod" plate. Very similar to the "antique" plate, but for modified cars. If you have availability to get that type plate.. just get one. Don't get all bent out of shape about the term "street rod". I have a "Hotrod", not a street rod, but this license plate is the only way I can get away with having NO fenders.

 

No, he sounds different. Newdow just wants to get rid of an uncons***utional law. (I don't "Trust in God", why should our national motto, and our money, say that I do?)

 

agreed.....

 

I would fight fire with fire:
Take pics of the plates of every antique plate at their shows, parades, etc., send them to the authorities and allege "non-standard" mods.
If anyone asks what you're doing, tell them the truth, and all about this trouble-maker's scheme - and give them his address and phone number.
Not only could this mobilize resistance, but also clog up the "inspection" scheme, win-win all around for very little effort.

 

Why, just because it is our money, that's why! I don't see you moving to somewhere that doesn't have "In God We Trust" on their money so it must not be so very offensive that you don't use it, and earn it, and spend it.
I'm no crusader but wasting the country's time with this nonsense is crazy. The cons***utional issue has been decided and reinforced and stands so let it be. Never hurt a thing.

We're in enough trouble with all the Green fuzzballs running aorund trying to get us back in dogcarts and sandals...while they ride in private jets, SUVs, and live it up on taxpayer bucks(your and mine).

Half the hillbillies in Alabama are riding around on cheap lifetime plates on beatup rotted out lifetime antique vehicle plates since the Legislature there p***ed a too-loose law several years ago. The sliding scale, you see.

 

Thats different,,and interesting idea

Though the guy ( old car guy not the other ) reflects stuff talked about here.

That thing how no modified cars at Hershey or where ever,,or Rat Rods,,just how some don't want the street rodder label....if the car is old enough someone could possible tag a 29 ratrod as antique just cause teh ***le says 1929,,


you have alot of alienating going on anymore,,and I would not be surprised if others di such things to try and keep 'pure' so to speak what they feel ther cars are

 

I have been staying away from the dixie car club for years. P***ed Beyers in the road once a few years ago. you'd thought that I was invisible.

 

George Byers is an IDIOT... I am a member of Toad **** Car Club and have talked to other car clubs about this and not one of them support him. MOTAA doesn't even support it, they don't to be in politics... Arkiehotrods was at the meeting where he was trying to get their support and I don't believe that he got it.

Here is a link to my website and his do***ents are there in PDF format...

http://stillkruzn.com/AR_Antique_Tag.aspx

 

I like this idea. If everyone sent in photographs of "alleged" antique plate violators, then the state would soon be overwhelmed and maybe abandon the whole silliness. Enough photos and complaints sent in and the authorities won't be able to see the forest for the trees.

We could get into lots of discussions about the appropriateness of God on our money,but we shouldn't. There are too many diverse opinions here and all need to be respected. What we do agree on is hotrods. As far as money goes, I think the legend should add "in the Federal Reserve we trust".

 

Well Im gonna get slammed for this but Im going to say it anyways....Ive actually threatened to do do the same picture taking thing Mr Beyers is trying to do. Now before the beatings begin let me tell you why I have been threatening to do it. I cannot stomach how many clapped out freaking pieces of **** early eighties s**** yard relics I see running around with these plates on them. The people doing it are ONLY doing it because they can get away with it. These are people with NO interest in their vehicles beyond using them for daily transportation and they have figured out a way to buck "the system" on paying annual registrations at OUR expense. I say OUR expense because this law was set up for US (the people INVOLVED in this hobby), not for the guy with the beat to **** 84 Chevy pickup he uses to haul ****ing s**** iron with. As much as I hate to say it I believe that the law will get changed because of the people abusing it. Its one thing to have ole joe blow complaining about "us", but its a little different if we're complaing about "them".

I do not know Mr B, and Ive never cared much for the Dixie ****heads so please dont think Im affiliated with them in any way. I DO NOT agree with his approach at claiming that any hot rod or custom car should fall outside the antique licensing. I understand that "technically" the vehicle is suppose to be "restored" or a well maintained original. You have to sign the agreement stating that it is, but thats one of the major flaws in all of this since its YOUR word that they go by....no pictures, no inspection, no anything except a signed slip saying everything checks out. The hot rod and custom guys have been running these plates LOOOONNNNG before the street rod or custom car tags became available and I dont feel that should be disturbed......but for the guy with the 6 different color 79 Fleetwood with the torn up vinyl top and that ****ing red tap covering your busted out tail light lenses thats been that way for the past twelve years, I hope your **** burns.

 

Don't forget the commercial dump trucks and campers that I have seen running up and down the roads...

 

Find a non-standard part(s) on his "superior" vehicle; get the do***entation to prove it and gut him with his own sword.

 

I think this guy needs to head to the nearest corner and fornicate with himself.

 

Or the pulp wood trucks!! :0

 

Hubnut pretty much says it. When I got mine a picture and late model registration was required for antique tags. Why did the state change ?

 

Oddly enough these vehicles are ligit according to the law in it's present form. If there was no financial advantage to having an Antique plate, this matter would take care of it's self. Giving the Street Rod plate the same fees and non-renewal is not going to happen because the state would lose $. Making the Antique plate comply with all the Street Rod tag and other specialty plate requirements would generate state monies and solve the conflict

 

Sounds like a ****head but that said, if you are running antique plates and not abiding by the rules for them just to save some $ then I cannot agree with you.

I see many antique plates on rods in this area that are not used as prescribed by the law (limited use) and some have the appearance of being unsafe. I think all vehicles should have to p*** a basic safety inspection every year. Should not be a problem if your ride is built right. Here it costs me $15 a year. Big deal.

Pay the normal registration and be done with it. You drive on the roads so you should have to pay for them like the rest of us. If you are running with collector car insurance on top of the antique plates then you are putting us at risk also when your insurance refuses to cover you when it counts.

Follow the basic rules and things go smoothly.

 

I hope your **** burns. I'm slightly richer than you. I think the line should be drawn at my vehicle's value, not yours. Just as you think rat rods, inexpensive cars and trucks and the like shold be seperated out, I think yours should be seperated out and not allowed with mine and my friends. There should be several divisions amoung us, that way everyone has someone to look down on and require some sort of obsticle to driving their cars. The poorer they are the more it should cost them. That'll teach the poor not to get in my way! I shouldn't have to look at them because I am more important because I have more money. I'm glad you and I agree on the basic principal. The only thing we disagree on is where to draw the line, at your house or mine.
All this, "United we stand" **** is over rated. I say, "devided I stand on you!". I'm glad you're devisive too. I'm also glad I have more money than you so I can laugh down at you when you don't get the same privilages I do because of some arbetrary value or use of your car that's different than mine is.

 

Turdytoo has the right idea here. Hiboy, It was some years back around the time they did away with state inspections that they stopped the whole photo for registration thing I believe. I know you used to have to submit photos either for registration and/or insurance purposes but not anymore. The lack of an inspection is what makes it so easy for the guy with rustbucket late 70s chevy truck (you know the one with that one magnetic trailer light stuck on the bumper bc its been smashed on the corner and no longer has the original lamp ***y) to get the tags and run 'em all he wants. The requirements to get the tag are that you only have to have one other vehicle registered with regular tags, and you must fill out an affidavit stating that the car you're applying for antique tags for has been unalltered from stock form (upgrades for safety are acceptable) and that it will be not be used for daily transportation (i.e. parades and car shows and cruises etc). Thats it.