Arizona Scam Alert!!

There is only one reason for not paying someone for work or services and that is if the work is of such poor quality that you have to have someone else completely redo it to make it right and this doesn't sound like the case at all.

This looks like a case where tdragger1 thought he should get away with paying minimum wage or less for work that would cost him 60.00 an hour in local shops. Anyone who has worked out of his garage at home has run into the same crap, people think because you are doing the work in your home garage you should work for less than minimum wage. You are paying for the skill and time involved not the setting where the work is being done.

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naw, the rest of the story should include what kind of deal you worked out with kustom01's old man

 

There's two sides to this story. That taildragger guy is a FNG , he's got no reputation to lose, I don't think it's quite fair to call him a 'hamber', although technically you're right.

You run an illegal shop, you take a lowball offer of half what you quoted, and only get 10% downpayment...I'm not gonna rub it in more than that, but as someone that's been ripped off a time or two myself, I'll say that I've learned the hard way what not to do.

Sorry to hear about your pops getting burned. I'm sure he's an honest guy and expects others to be the same, which is the kinda thing that scummers look for and take advantage of.

I'm sure that guy has done this once or twice before, sure sounds like he's had experience with it.

This is *nothing* to go to jail over, your dad's wise to let it go. Karma's a bitch, and if things went down like you say, that guy will get his sooner or later. They always do.

EDIT: I typed this before I read taildraggers response. Who gives a shit about his 3 year build, that has nothing to do with paying for a paint job. If he thinks 2 grand is too much for 'finish' bodywork and paint, well i'd like to hear exactly what he thinks is fair. I'd kill to get that kinda work done for 2 grand.

 

This car needed block sanding, a piece of rust rot in the hood replaced, and a the inner window surrounds and vent ving's cut down.
The ONLY reason I convinced myself to let anybody other than MYSELF do anything was because I lost my shop space and can't spray in my carport.

So I post an ad and get ahold of this guy. He shows up and makes big promises and says he is an expert. He shoots me a price of $4k, I laugh internally and let him go home. Two days later he calls and says "he really like working on these cars, is sick of watching reruns on TV, and let's talk." I'm not too interested because the car really doesn't need much and I tell him I'll think about it. After three weeks of walking by my car in my driveway I decide I'll call and see if we can work something out so I can get this thing on the road since AZ weather is nice now. We agree on a price for his "expert work." Here's the first pic of his "expert" vent wing modification.

 

But you agreed to the price. It doesn't matter what the condition was before. If you were given a quote, accepted the quote(obviously you did, because you gave him the car), and he did the work, then YOU OWE THE MONEY. DON'T BE A DOUCHE BAG

EDIT: I think I see where this is going now. Your last post wasn't up when I wrote mine.

 

I'm still lost...

Not choosing sides yet, but where's the "rest of the story"? Where's the pics of what was screwed up? When did all of this work happen? The reason I ask is because your before pic is date stamped a little over a week ago...

 

From the pic, That's sum Hack work
But yer both wrong.
Him for cuttin his price in 1/2 and prob knowin he can't do the quality you expect, and you expecting quality for 2 grand.
I think ya both need to drop it and go on.
But at least bone up and drop the guy a few more hun.

 

True. there are two sides of the story. And obviously I'm only being able to tell what my dad is telling me. Maybe his work isn't barrett-jackson quality, but this guy wasn't exactly paying barrett jackson prices either. I don't really know everything myself as I'm a young guy. but i like to drive my cars and am not looking for 100% perfection, if this guy wanted 100% perfection he should have taken it to the best to begin with and be prepared to spend the thousands upon thousands of dollars it takes to get perfection.

 

He didn't do the work and hacked up my car you idiot!!!!Stay tuned for pics....I should have not paid a penny. I lost $200 towing, $200 for "materials", why a gallon of budget reducer, primer and a quart of filler cost that much is beyond me, especially since I purchase plenty of it for 1/4 the price, and I also now have to find replacement trim pieces. In addition to a half a day jacking around with this

 

perhaps we judged too harshly at first. i doubt i would want any work to continue after seeing the quality put into the vent widow frame. i probably would have pulled the car out of there too. now it comes down to paying for the work that was already done. done correctly.
there are 2 sides to every story. i'm sorry to say i have to side with tdragger on this one.

 

Honestly, that vent window looks like shit.

 

Wait till I upload the rest of this guys work...I should file a lawsuit against him

 

My dad said he wasn't done fixing this, this guy picked everything up before he had a chance to finish doing anything.. nice try.

 

Hey tdragger1--- I'd be more than happy to finish it up for ya.
At T&M (time and material)
I'm an "Old Guy" also
Let's see 60 hrs of blockin @ $50 + $3000
paint materials $1500 -2000
Misc shop supplies $500
Shoot it and color sand and buff 60hrs = $3000
yeah in the neighborhood of 10-12 grand
BTW Here sun of my work if yer interested.
I'm just up the hill in Prescott and you could stop in anytime and check out the progress, with a payment of course.

 

Here's his hood work..

 

Obviously this will be a fun time for all. Needless to say. I don't know why if you were so good at body work you didn't do it yourself to begin with. Maybe my fathers work isn't as perfect. My dad said he wasn't paid for this vent window. and offered to fix it to this guys standards for FREE. He says he will be sending me pictures of the good work, he admits that this window was done poorly and he offered to fix it for free to this guys standards. What else can one do to fix a problem?

 

After see'in that and the vent
He's a butcher.
But I'd still flip him a couple hun for his effort.

 

What kind of work did you expect for that kind of money? You expect a 10-$12000.00 job for 2 grand? You get what pay for.

 

Read my prior post Kustom.....I losy my shop space and can't shoot in my carport....I am also busy with more pressing issues...

 

Agreed. My father said he apologized if he couldn't get the work to this guys satisfaction, but he did spend many hours block sanding and doing body work on the body getting it ready for paint.

 

what did that part of the hood look like before? what was repaired?

 

GOOD WORK IS NOT CHEAP!!!! CHEAP WORK IS NOT GOOD!!!!!
Repeat and learn.
Im thinking this thread needs to be deleted. Looks like the guy got what he was willing to pay for (cheap work), and the other guy learned not to do what he cant (sell services).
And for what its worth ive seen worse. Just sayin.

 

That car in primer was completed by me BEFORE it went off for final block sanding and finish work...To everybody that would accept this work at any price I have one thing to say: Get some standards...Anybody with any common sense will agree. This car went backwards....As I said I should file suit to recover my expenses and the money I did pay him

 

So ... are you showing us "finished" work or stuff that was in process. I've seen plenty of great bodywork look like crap-o-rama half-way into the job. I think your way of handling this is gonna get you a well-earned rep. Congrats!

 

Which party would this advice be directed to?

 

You call that a repair?

 

If I under stand this right you did the fab work. And he did the body work. You owe the guy some money. All we have is our word and sounds like you gave yours.

 

You understand wrong...Read the post!

 

...you call that an answer?

 

My dad painted and did the body work on this vehicle.

I get plenty of compliments on it, it's not perfect but it shows well and i drive the shit out of it. It looked bad until all the final work was done. Ya sure I could find imperfections here and there, but i'm not looking for concourse d'elegance quality either.