...heard from several friends lately that anybody in Illinois transferring a 1948 or older ***le will need to have their car inspected by the Illinois State Police to get an appraisal as to the vehicle's value, and will be taxed accordingly. Anything valued at $10,000 or less (just heard this will be $15,000 or less) will be taxed at the current flat rate of $25.00. This means that even if you're starting with a pile of parts only worth a few hundred bucks, you'll have to haul your stuff to an inspection station (most likely a State Police station) for an evaluation before you will receive a clear ***le in your name. This could become a real h***le for a lot of us. I guess Illinois wants their cut of the taxes generated by people selling high dollar old cars. Has anyone else heard anything about this?...as I've stated; I've heard this from several Illinois friends just recently.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Glad I transferred the ***le on my model A years ago. At least it's all clear and in my name now. The 54 is another story though. That will probably cost me. I know Plowboy had to jump through some hoops with the Vicky. Didn't sound too bad though.
Does this realy suprise you with the ****ed up politicians running this state? Its all about money here in the land of lincoln. Dont take my word for it, just ask Jim Ryan, and Rod Blagojovich!
What does the state police know about appraising vehicles for value??? In colorado all ***les have a sold amount area on them. Seems to work just fine, And if there is a clear ***le on the vehicle when sold, they don't hold it up for some inspection. Unless it is a out of state ***le. On out of state if you get the vin checked by a dealer, or state agency, and all is good, the ***le transfer is easy. There has got to be more info on this...John
Its been like that up here in Ontario Canada for about 6 years now, It's not really a h***le, in fact I paid 4000$ for the pile of parts I started with for my '31 Chevy p/u, and the appraiser listed it as being worth about 2300$ total, and I found an inspector that would come directly to my house. Out here it doesn't start at 1948 either, every vehicle over 20 years old has to get this inspection.
I wanted to add that up here it isn't the police doing it either, any automotive shop that has a lisence to sell used cars can do it, also a general appraiser can do it, but they charge about 100$, the shops do it for 20$.
...I'm not saying the State Police know anything about appraisals; I'm just posting what little info that I've heard about this. ,,,as far as stating a selling price on the ***le, Illinois doesn't use that system, and even if they did, people would write in a lesser price if they could to get by cheaper on the tax, especially on a private non-dealer sale. ...I'm just curious if others in Illinois have run into this situation. I'm not here to debate if it's a good idea or ?
Guys help me out here... bought a 51 willys from a guy vehicle cert of ***le says 1979 he just signed the back when i bought it, I never registered it , Now i'm selling it to a guy in Ohio what do i need to do... just hand him the ***le? Also have another 53 Chev I bought in 97 , same story never transfered ***le now want to sell it also. It has my name as the purchaser but I never registered it, do i need to register it , then get new ***le to transfer? barry
I always in a private sale I write the bill of sale for a trade of a 12 pk of Pabst and an old bike to keep the sales tax down works every time, but I'm Wyoming
If it has a spot that needs to be notorazied on it you are screwed. If not just p*** along the signed ***le to the guy. Ohio is pretty easy as long as the ***le is notoraized. They even accept old registration as a ***le in most cases.
Most likely you can just give the ***le to the guy in Ohio with the car... ...on the 53 Chev, if it's showing you as the new owner, you'll have to get it in your name, then sell it. The good news, (if what I heard is correct), your car is newer than 48, so won't be in this situation.
I could see this coming from last year. Ok here is the story. My brother buys a 67 chevy nova ss . He gives the guy 4000 dollars and since we are in the concrete buisness , the other half of the car payment came in form of a new driveway in front of the sellers garage. 3 months after getting the car , my brother gets a letter int he mail from the state of illinois . something along the lines of accusing him of tax fraud for not claiming the correct value on the car . I called the sec of state office for him and spoke to a really nice lady . She said it was ******** herself. She told me what they were doing . What she said was " the state is currently going through recent antique vehicle purchases , They are then looking those vehicles up using the Nada guide , taking the highes value and sending the owner a form to fill out with tax for said amount " for instanc e, they tried to tell my brother he owed $1600.00 in taxes on a car he had a total of 5200 dollars in . He was asked to take it to a dealership , have it appraised and put into writing and signed by a salesman , then send it back to the state and that should be the end of it . and it was . 2 weeks later i got the same letter over my 55 chevy i bought in april of 08 . This is the car when i bought it . The letter said i was to enclose a check for $2300 dollars payable to the sec of state. This was all right before the big balago***** explosion. The lady from the state i spoke to actually said that they are grabbing at straws with this. Her exact words were " the way they see it , if they get someone spooked with the tax fraud threat and they pay it , its a win for them , if someone doesnt , they figure big deal , they are out the cost of a stamp" I was pretty pissed after she told me that , not at her , she was actually on our side . She told me i should call the news and tell them whats going on . So i did but they didnt want to report the story. So i took pictures of my 55 into the dealership , the salesman appraised it at 200 dollars s**** price "LOL" and i sent the form with pictures and appraisel back in . But you can bet your *** i blew my nose and hawked some lung goodness into the envelope before it got sealed. Never heard another word from them my 55 that they said i owed 2300 in taxes on HA HA HA
(No debate here) Yeah. And I am sure in colorado people do fudge the selling price a lot on private sales, and others. But if this is happening in your state it could happen in others including colorado. That is why I would like to hear more info about the law, and how it got by SEMA. Especially dealing with 48 and older autos...John The post above from mac 55 explains it perfectly. At least now I know what to look for if it happens in colorado. Thanks
...Ghost,...the debate statement wasn't aimed at you, just in general. ...I'm ALSO hoping SEMA is aware of this.
These are 2 separate issues First if you submit a copy of the bill of sale with the tax form you will avoid the tax letter and appraisal. The inspection is a separate matter, after figuring out people are registering/***ling fibergl*** cars on original ***les its becoming more common for them to send a letter to the owner wanting to inspect /verify vin number usually when the paperwork is from a "no ***le" state IE transferable registration
I had the exact same problem Mac 55 is talking about, only it was with a '69 Roadrunner. They said it was worth $33,000 and I owed them taxes and all that b.s. I told them I would gladly sell the rusted out hulk to them for $33,000 (with a few colorful words here and there). The car was missing most of the framerails and pretty much everything else. Idiots. I hate Illinois.
I caught wind of this too. Illinois is a broke state that cannot pay their bills. If you want to renew your drivers license, you now pay $30 not $10. The fact is that there are more 1929 Ford model T's registered in the us than were produced. Same with 1932 fords, ect, ect. The state is truily grasping at straws to fund itself after an idiot ran us into the ground finacially. IF they can scare you into paying more tax than you owe, great for them. I had the state send me a letter demanding that I prove I paid tax on a 1964 thunderbird, and the DMV lady filled out the paperwork, but the state lost it, and I had to prove I paid it. Has anybody received an Illinois ***le with the bottom section that the seller turns into the state with the buyers information. They want to completely illiminate open ***le sales. None of it is good for us, but at least the recession is ending!
Ok, how are they going to screw me.I have a '62 RANCHERO.I license in 2002 last time.I been working on it since then.( as the money comes in) No it's not finished.Hopefully I wiil drive it this spring.Are they going to charge me for NINE years of plates?Plus tax on it! Now they have a web site where people who don't pay their taxes the post their names and amounts. Show me a politician and I show you the same crook from Illinois.Thanks Ken N.
papafalcon I have never had the problem in the past but as we know times have changed so anything could happen. I would tell them it was put into storage and needed work when it went into storage. Maybe that will help if it happens to turn into a problem
If you still have a good IL ***le in your name you should be OK. You may have to fill out a form explaining why it wasn't registered all those years, just write in the space that it was "in storage" and now you want to drive it. Went through that once many years ago, and that statement made them happy. I think these days they will be happy to collect a plate fee from you. Gene
im waiting for this **** to start here.. the debt in the Motor City is so huge..they have to try and extort it outa some one..there arent any companies left here for them to get their cash from so they will soon be dogging its citizens and bilking them anyplace they can
I've heard of guys who have taken the old ***le, held it up to a window, traced the signature onto another piece of paper, made that paper into a reciept, and given that to the new owner (or done it themselves to register the car). Legal? No. Ultimately will the state care? Not unless the serial comes up on a hot list. The reciept is usually just so you can pay a sales tax on it. But other than that just give the new guy the ***le. As for this Illinois ********, let's just hope the former IL people in Washington don't get any bright ideas.
I bought a 38 chevy truck that had been ***led in Wisconsin in the last 10 years. I took it in, she highlighted what I needed to fill out, I did, then paid with a check, filled out what I paid for it, and received a ***le in the mail, in my name in about 2 weeks. No muss, no fuss. That was about 9 or 10 months ago. As Russco said, I have heard, it seems to be a bigger problem with stuff that is from a "no ***le" state IE transferable registration.
this is just the beginning of the BS here in illinois.the chicago based political machine has us in huge financial ruin. all of us downstaters would be better off if Chicago was its own state or District of Chicago. lol
Supergilde, We live in the Western Suburbs of Chicago (probably 35 miles west) and WE still treat Chicago like it is a foreign country. TEN (10) and a half percent sales tax and the numbskulls are wondering why businesses are tripping over themselves to leave? One word: DUMB***ES! I wish all HAMBERS could watch the dumb*** political commercials on TV...I am embarr***ed. You are right...we have not seen anything yet....unfortunately! E
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