Sales tax on used parts and why...

That pretty much says it all right there, doesn't it?

 

And where did you come by this amazing piece of information that "only new items are subkect to sales tax"? Unless your state has specific language along thos lines, the geneal nature of sales tax is a levy on the value of the transaction-regardless of the nature of the goods or the history of prior transactions. (Food products in grocery stores are exempt in Indiana.)

 

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Not so in California. Ca "Sales Tax" is actually a slang term for the actual written term of the law - "Use Tax". If you buy it from out of state you are required to pay the "Use Tax" when you bring it in, although the seller insnt rquired to collect and pay on your behalf as an in-state seller would (Ca has no jurisdiction over out of state entities). You, as an individual, are required to record and pay the tax on your personal tax return. That there is the biggest problem - average people do not keep adequate records, nor do they file itemized returns, and practically speaking the State is putting a huge burden on people to require them to keep records and file thier tax returns as a business would have to.

I just went through an audit by the Ca Franchise Tax Board and they picked through every internet purchase I made through my company for over 3 years. They subsequently taxed me on purchases as small as $5 from out of state. They recorded the names, addresses, phone, website etc etc of every business we purchased from out of state on a laptop in my office. The auditor told me that they were in the process of expanding such audits to individuals and collecting "Use Tax" on all personal out of state internet purchases for which a person could not document that the seller collected and paid the tax on the persons behalf. She said that it was partly to do with some Tax beef between Ca and Amazon.com (Appearently Ca told Amazon, which is Wa, to collect Ca Use Tax and send it to Ca - Amazon told them to FO - Ca threatened to lean on small time Amazon vendors in Ca - the vendors, most looking at going out of business, leaned on thier state senators - who told the Tax Board to lay off, which they did on the Amazon issue) She also said that thier goal "was to keep Californians from making out of state internet purchases". It seems to me that they figure most average people won't have reciepts or have had paid the tax on thier return, so they will hit average Joe full use tax on every internet purchase on his credit card statement (they will have your statement when they walk through the door).

There is no Federal mechanism for the states to collect taxes on internet sales, but by the actual law you are still required to pay the tax to your state. The States are losing more and more revenue from the internet sales and are looking everywhere to get it back. There is some logic there, as no matter how much they waste there is still a need for $$ to fund the roads you drive on, police, libraries, schools, etc

I have no problem paying the sales taxes - but I feel that requiring individuals to keep the records and go through the process of paying the state will be unpractical.

 

that's fine...i will gladly pay for the services and benefits i actually get. i'm sure if we did an audit we would find out most of us here pay more in that we get back. i'm also sure that there are MANY people who live in this county that get a LOT more benefits and services than they will ever pay in

 

It will cost more to administer the agency than what they would collect. Can any one say BLACK MARKET? OldWolf

 

I can't do anything about any of them but mine and their asses are gone!!! After reading this post I have yet to see a problem not solved by the FairTax. I find it funny I haven't heard "that's gonna raise taxes by 23%" from that one bright fellow yet.

 

No, just the three MILLION acres the gub'mint has effectively put off-limits to ALL uses in the Western States in the last year. No oil, gas, or coal exploration, little to no recreational use, and near zero development of all kinds.

And BTW, you have Colorado Nat'l Park near Grand Junction, CO that is now a park vs a monument. Plus nineteen other nat'l monuments that now have park status. Nice try with the red herring.

 

i was under the impression that the board of equalization collects sales and use tax..........what is the franchise tax board doing botherin ya?

 

you forgot its not your money it belong to the goverment,

 

Only when speaking about the government.

You're supposed to already. The bastards never miss a chance.

Exactly.

Actually, Wilson was a Progressive, not a Commie. Progressives are totalitarians of a different stripe. Not as expropriative as Communists (call them Marxists, Soviets, Commies, Pinkos, whatever, all variations on the same theme), and not as overtly violent as the Fascists, but totalitarian in aim none the less.

And yes, a great many of the programs and bureaucracies we chafe under today originated with Wilson. Some were rolled back after the war, some survived, and some were resurrected by Roosevelt (Franklin, not Teddy [who was a progressive as well, just so you know]). Roosevelt also shares a great deal of responsibility for creating many of the federal irritations we have to deal with now.

Commie can be used like Racists as an ad hominem attack, but in this case, he was pointing out actual fault, not some imaginary fault to poke a hole in someone's logic. Calling Stalin a murderer is not an ad hominem attack, because he really was responsible for the deaths of several million people. Calling RustyNewYorker a murderer because he cuts up old cars and sells them is an ad hominem attack, because the charge is fallacious and only meant to cast doubt on his side of the argument.

You missed for the same reason, read above.

Exactly. Out here in BFE, we're lucky if they patch the pot holes once a year, and that only happens once a couple of Yugos have gone missing.

What pisses people off is that they pay huge percentages of their income in taxes, and most people do not ever see any of it come back.

The cops take an hour to come to your aid (IE, you're dead when they get there if you can't defend yourself), the fire departments CHARGE you come out and fight your fire (even if the house burns down), the ambulance CHARGES you for a ride to the hospital, the roads have huge holes in them, the bridges are crumbling, the schools turn out kids that can't read or multiply, and they are constantly asking for more money.

The way things are set up, the folks that get all the "services" don't pay ANY taxes at all. If you pay taxes, your income makes you ineligible to participate in most all the programs that your taxes pay for.

It's a great big shit sandwich, and it's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better (IF it ever gets better).

The feds spent ~4 trillion dollars this last year (2009). Of that, 48% was on social welfare (pensions, welfare payments, healthcare). Only 21% was spent on defense, and that is AFTER both wars were brought onto the books (so the money spent abroad on the wars in included in that percentage).

That means that even with two wars going on, social welfare spending is still DOUBLE what is spent on defense.

I would like to point out here, that the Constitution specifically enumerates that the federal government is charged with mounting and funding the national defense. It is explicitly enumerated in the Constitution. All those social welfare programs are not. They have to be "interpreted" into the general welfare clause.

Think about that next time you're feeling like we spend too much on killing our enemies before they kill us. Perhaps the tax burden would be lower if we weren't paying so many people to do nothing.

Come live out in the sticks were you already ARE responsible for your own safety and see how you feel about this stuff. The perspective changes sharply when you get to pay for everyone else to have nice stuff that you are never allowed to use.

BTW, if you dislike the discussion, go away and don't read the thread. It's very simple to not become involved in the discussion if you simply bypass it.

Exactly. A few pay the way for the many, and we're getting tired of it.

 

H.A.M.B?.....politics?.....what the..???

Where's that lock?

 

It relates to our cars, so yeah, the overall discussion IS relevant! You can read other posts...!

 

Cash deals require no sales tax ..thats why its cash and carry .Like swap meets .we pay enough tax !

 

Could not have said it better myself! Here's hoping 2010 will be different. Even Massachusetts gets it.

[/QUOTE]Actually, Wilson was a Progressive, not a Commie. Progressives are totalitarians of a different stripe. Not as expropriative as Communists (call them Marxists, Soviets, Commies, Pinkos, whatever, all variations on the same theme), and not as overtly violent as the Fascists, but totalitarian in aim none the less.

And yes, a great many of the programs and bureaucracies we chafe under today originated with Wilson. Some were rolled back after the war, some survived, and some were resurrected by Roosevelt (Franklin, not Teddy [who was a progressive as well, just so you know]). Roosevelt also shares a great deal of responsibility for creating many of the federal irritations we have to deal with now.

Commie can be used like Racists as an ad hominem attack, but in this case, he was pointing out actual fault, not some imaginary fault to poke a hole in someone's logic. Calling Stalin a murderer is not an ad hominem attack, because he really was responsible for the deaths of several million people. Calling RustyNewYorker a murderer because he cuts up old cars and sells them is an ad hominem attack, because the charge is fallacious and only meant to cast doubt on his side of the argument.

What pisses people off is that they pay huge percentages of their income in taxes, and most people do not ever see any of it come back.

The way things are set up, the folks that get all the "services" don't pay ANY taxes at all. If you pay taxes, your income makes you ineligible to participate in most all the programs that your taxes pay for.

The feds spent ~4 trillion dollars this last year (2009). Of that, 48% was on social welfare (pensions, welfare payments, healthcare). Only 21% was spent on defense, and that is AFTER both wars were brought onto the books (so the money spent abroad on the wars in included in that percentage).

That means that even with two wars going on, social welfare spending is still DOUBLE what is spent on defense.

I would like to point out here, that the Constitution specifically enumerates that the federal government is charged with mounting and funding the national defense. It is explicitly enumerated in the Constitution. All those social welfare programs are not. They have to be "interpreted" into the general welfare clause.

Think about that next time you're feeling like we spend too much on killing our enemies before they kill us. Perhaps the tax burden would be lower if we weren't paying so many people to do nothing.

A few pay the way for the many, and we're getting tired of it.[/QUOTE]

 

Funny someone revived this, the last couple months some asshole on eBay who apparently has no life emails me every so often and goes on about "I love this tax free income.Why sell drugs or steal when you can use e bay" or shit like that. First email even mentions a couple other sellers I never heard of or have dealt with and something about me knowing them. Wierdest crackpot I've ever heard from, and I hear from more than my share.

I've been arguing with the state over them claiming I owe less than $20 in sales tax for a year now. I paid, then I get this bill, and no one will actually look and see what I paid and where, they just invent excuses why I still owe it. Just got a thing in the mail the state's even willing to take half the money to clear it up. Never laughed so hard in my life at a state tax letter as that one... okay, $8.49 and you assholes will go away? I can deal with that, now that I've made you spend at least $10 in postage trying to collect the original amount...