Uncle Morty's not a happy camper...

Check out Mort's Shorts at this month's www.hopupmag.com

A discussion is in order, but lets not make this thread a ******* contest...no drama allowed.

I like Mark's style...he has some valid points...

 

what about vehicles that went the other way around?? i've got a real henry 32 that was registered as a home built in DC in 1960......

 

Mort is correct. I don't want to be political so I simply ask, how do you fix the situation?

 

Soooo many questions....

Genny frame, repro body - real 32 ?
Genny body, repro frame - real 32 ?

A real can of worms.

Rich

 

Even worse, the body and frame get split up. The body gets dropped on an aftermarket frame, the frame gets rolled under a fibergl*** body. Which one gets the VIN?

 

I think the wake up call just came in? Great job MORT...........................

 

There are no identifying numbers on my A body so in this case the number sticks with the frame. I know of someone who had a complete A with original ch***is and ch***is number that had the vin verified by a vehicle verifier. This person then ground off the numbers on the A ch***is, sold it, bought a repo-'32 ch***is, transferred the already verified ch***is number onto the new frame, and then ***led and registered the car as a A.

I still don't think this whole "problem" is such a big deal. It's all a game and you just gotta know how to play it.

 

Great Job Mort!


Tim

 

Agreed - I also think a large part of this, along with the 'search for purpose' is revenue. I believe part what started this whole ****storm is illegally registered vehicles and guys mis-representing a vehicle's value to avoid paying taxes, and it's true nature (ie kit car) to avoid the h***le of correctly registering it.

It's a lot easier to buy a 'do***ent' than to jump through all the hoops to proberly register a home built vehicle.

I thinkg the guy's that have been 'getting over' on the DMV for years are almost as much to blame as the government is on this issue.

For the record, I pretty much agree with everything stated in the article, and I wish the government would stay the **** out of my business, but they're not the only one's to blame here.

 

I shall ponder this as I order patch panels for my 34 Ford.

 

Steel iz real, gl*** issnot. Morty got it right as in Ayn Rand. Not politico, just a llifestyle. So does that mean we stripers will be persecuted if we lay em down on a fake car? Charge more!

 

I don't see how this has anything to do with politics except that a state agency or two is involved.

So many loopholes have been created in almost every state by people who don't understand the subject or people who purposely wanted to "fudge" a suspect registration of a vehicle.

Come up with a coherent set of rules that work in reality and apply them equally to all vehicles and make the registration process easier for the people who have to stand on the other side of the counter. It's not very difficult.

In my opinion, a Brookville or fibergl*** body and an aftermarket frame are not vintage and don't deserve the vintage vehicle rules. Registration and inspection rules should be decided from the engine that powers the re-pop vehicle.

That's my opinion, which is worth nothing.

 

Mort's gripes might get more attention if he didn't throw racism into the mix. I agree that there are problems, but blaming Equal Opportunity and such just muddies-up the argument.

 

10-4 & right on good buddy!

Not sure about you folks, but in sounds like he was trying to get his ride registered in a NJ DMV.

Ponderous, simply pondersous!

 

Does anyone know what ruling he's talking about and if it's really being done or just a rumor being talked about?
With the current tax money shortage making the DMV run a day a week slower than they did before, are they really going to add a witch hunt to their list of stuff to do or are they going to figure out how to charge more money from us as they do this for the "service"?
They have already gone up 50% what annual registration costs on my 40 GMC in the past 6 years.

But, is the problem Mort is talking about real or just another rumor?
Is this written about officially at DMV or another source?

If true, how far back, or up are they going to go?
If they want to check frame numbers on Model A's are they going to require bodies to be removed from frames to expose the #'s?
If they go up to the 25 year old mark of what used to be considered a "cl***ic car" are they going to cause grief to all the Camaro clipped '57 Chevy pickup owners because they now have a Camaro sub frame where the original truck VIN number was stamped on top of the frame near the steering gear?

The big question, would the ACLU consider this a breach of our rights?
The different bureaucratic branches of State government don't get involved in immigrant do***entation because the Federal Govt pretty much told them to back off what is solely a Feds job.
I happen to be another Blue eyed White boy, but I know that has nothing to do with who owns old cars and isn't what this would or should boil down to so I would be surprised if a group like the ACLU would get involved.
Quite frankly, Im surprised Mort went there.

Again, is this really happening or being talked about or a is it just a rumor?

 

I have a question...a friend bought a real nice complete all original '32 Tudor with a clear ***le. He then pulled the body off the ch***is and rolled a new P&J ch***is under it.

He ground the numbers off the original frame and used the old ***le to get a new one on his now new street rod.

I have a chance to buy the old original ch***is to put under my '32 truck cab. Can I just purchase an original "do***ent" from back east and put those numbers on this original ch***is?

 

Mort's story is a good read and right on target. The biggest problem that non-Kalifornians face is that others states often emulate Boss Arnold and his merry men.
I wonder...has Ryan ever broken down the Hamb membership by state...how many guys are facing 'round one' ?


Gary

 

I don't think that the "Equal Opprotunity" statement was necessarily racist, perhaps that was your interpretation. Whether he was referring to race, gender, creed, etc... , I think he was referring to the state agency's incompetence. And states do have a habit of hiring "diverse" quan***y, as opposed to quality.

 

Doc J brings up a very good point. Can any of this be verified? Or is it just another rumor? Certainly SEMA would be at the front lines on a battle such as this.

 

This type of scenario seems to play out every day, I always thought that the ***le should go with the frame.

 

The Arizona Automobile Hobbyist Council fought this very same notion a few decades ago here in AZ.

The jist of the situation from the legislative side was how to treat these otherwise not totally stock cars. Say for instance you buy a brand new BMW and replace 60% of the car with aftermarket fenders, wheels, brakes etc. is it still a BMW? What else would you call it? IF it is no longer a BMW but rather a Special Construction Vehicle and it were to get stolen, just how is the Police/Highway Patrol/Sheriffs office supposed to identify it.

Think about it as a law enforcement matter not a tax revenue matter. But all too often anymore the bureaucratic minutia is only after squeezing as much out of you as possible regardless of the consequences they are creating for the other branches of government.

If it walks like a deuce, looks like a deuce, and sounds like a deuce then it must be a SCV? LOL


Does anyone think for a minute that chasing down this new found fraud is going to save California from bankruptcy?

 

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422038&highlight=sema

 

You remember this started with Boyd built cars that cost a couple hundred thousand? That seems to be the issue. Will the DOT understand a Willys with a gl*** front end, doors and trunk is still a Willys?

 

I think SEMA should be slapped for agreeing with this night mare.

Solution?
Perhaps a Grandfather claus.

My stance. Don't let this ugly thing outta California.

 

I would think SEMA would be all over this......

 

This subject is more about politics and greed than hot rods. Most folks affected by such situations will be white upper labor or middle cl*** males. The corelation of finding that group as a profit center for state welfare needs and the mentioned issue are obvious. Morty is not out of order.
Taxing a person's own labor for building a car, bike or whatever is just plain wrong. Steel, gl*** or paper mache' shouldn't be the concern. This will turn into a way to tax vehicles according to the "luxury" value they have. Those of us with real old stuff or recently fabricated facsimilies need to be concerned with any legislation that leans toward treating us as privileged beyond any other citizen.

 

Whats the percent of Americans who even mess with cars as a hobby? Maybe one percent of us? Including all aspects of the hobby (tuners, racers, restorers, etc...)

You would think the Gov't would have bigger fish to fry.

Me, I'm (slowly) building a real '29 Sedan on a new '32 frame. I don't really care what you call it, as long as I enjoy it! Thats my bottom line - fun with cars

 

The read off of the SEMA.org site.

http://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2009...s-solve-***ling-dilemma-for-hobbyist-vehicles

 

Ha, they came up with it.

Rich