Not sure what the pictures show. But nice i guess. Do I understand that you are saying you could put a slant six head on a 230 flathead Plymouth and use all the heads valves for intake and all the original flathead valves for exhaust? Putting aside the claim that head blots and water passages will line up, which I do not believe at all. How Are the flathead valves going to open? Isn't there solid iron slant six head in the way? You really need to come back and live on earth with the rest of us. Maybe I completly misunderstand you. That would be a best case.
I once marketed and sold a complete kit that allowed you to bolt a slant six head onto the old MoPar Plymouth/Dodge flat heads. This was a complete bolt-on kit with carburetors, intake, exhaust, ignition, all brackets, etc., etc. We spent a lot of time perfecting the kit so that it was truly bolt-on with no headaches or fabrication. Even the carbs were set up out of the box. By using clever manufacturing techniques we were able to get the retail cost of these kits down to US $259.95; we would include a good used slant six head (boiled out and surfaced and with a valve job and new guides and seals) for $99.99 more. The entire kit could be bolted on to your stock flathead in about 4 hours by a person with low-to-average mechanical skills and a set of 3/8 drive sockets. The head bolts were pre-torqued, so you did not even need a torque wrench. We really tried to think of everything to make this head swap simple and easy. There was just one problem and that was that after you installed the kit, you still had a short block filled with fragile alloy pistons that like to wear their ring grooves open so that the pistons can self destruct, chicken bone connecting rods, four main bearing crankshaft with 'sort of' counter weighting, and a full-pressure lubrication system that can be called 'full pressure' simply because of the pressure you are under when it stops lubricating your connecting rod bearings. So, the kit kind of died because the bottom end of the stock motor was simply not up to the awesomeness of our engineering that allowed us to create a package that would adapt a slant six head to this motor. There is only one of these kits left - never installed. I have it buried in a vault out in the desert. Send me, say, $100 by a postal money order to my PO box and I will send you a treasure map of the location ('X' marks the spot) by return mail.
I am actually finding this thread quite entertaining. It has everything: naivete, controversial (questionable?) modifications, the sad story about the poor previous owner, the present owner struggling for knowledge and resources (remember the part about 'looking for sponsors'?), the sympathy, and, now, drama: you name it, this thread has it and if all of it it 100% true and honest as presented we should be calling Guinness. Until then, I continue to enjoy it whilst sipping my Guinness.
...so the car was free?.....sometimes free is still too much...it appears to be needing several $k in repair/refinishing without ever touching the engine (a stock rebuild will run about $2500), and, being in Kalifournia, the OP apparently has a problem with too much sunshine that is causing blindness to basic facts. Sponser? yeah, right. Maybe this whole thread is some kinda test....? I wonder what we win? Hey, where is the popcorn? .
You guys gotta quit! I almost spewed my coffee on the computor screen again! Dan Stevens dba, Steelsmith
--------------------------- Well if all he really wants is validation for his lunatic proposal - and by extension , of of his lunacy in general, let's all stop wasting time reasoning with him and trying to explain why his idea won't and can't work. I'll go first. Dear NintendKD I think your idea of putting a slant-6 head on an old 230 Mopar flathead-6 is excellent and absolute pure genius! It's so good in fact, I'm surprised the factory engineers didn't just do that instead of wasting time and spending millions of dollars of the company's money designing and tooling up a whole new engine, - when they could have simply designed the OHV slant-6 cylinder head and achieved what you're going to do in one simple, brilliant stroke! No wonder the auto companies are all in such dire straits these days. All of their engineers are obviously complete idiots, steeped in 'wrong-headedness' and 'negative thinking'! My one and only slight beef with your otherwise brilliant idea is that you are planning to bolt the head on. Why even bother with such obsolete fastening technology as bolts? Bolts have been around. for more than 400 years and this is the 21st century! It's time to get with the program and use some 21st century technology and some true.21st century 'new thinking' here! Instead of old, obsolete. bolts,, I suggest you do away them altogether and simply mig-weld the slant-6 head directly to the flathead-6 block! 'Crazy glue' may also be a reasonable - and in your case - a somewhat appropriate alternative to welding as well - especially if the nasty doctors and nurses in the institution that you live in, won't allow you to weld in your room. Obviously they don't understand or appreciate brilliance when they encounter it and they are all probably jealous of you.. That's why they plot against you and force you take those little blue pills. Some naysayers here too, will probably try and tell you, quite wrongly of course, that mig-welding or 'crazy glue' won't work well on cast iron, or that they are not good things to hold a cylinder head on with. But like everything else 'negative' they've tried to tell you. just totally ignore them and go for it. And also, contrary to the negative advice you've heard on this list from all the "conspirators" here (who are all out to get you, by the way), don't worry about stupid 'niggly' little things like head gaskets, bore centers, water passages and the like, not lining up! If you place the head on top of the block, weld or crazy glue it in place - and then stare at it for a really long time and simply 'will it to be', everything will magically line up perfectly! Oh yeah, when you're all finished and out cruising in your mythical slant-6-headed flathead Plymouth 'hot rod', please remember to always, always, always, wear your tinfoil hat! You don't want the negative 'thought rays' from all the "conspirators" here on this list (who, are all out to get you by the way), to destroy your brilliant mind - or for the voices in your head that are egging you on and inspiring you to brilliance, to escape! Tinfoil by the way, has been scientifically proven and endorsed by nearly all of the world's leading crypto-zoologists, most CIA and KGB operatives, as well as 9 out 10 space aliens surveyed, as an excellent and highly effective material for keeping the voices in, as well as for keeping all known and even most of the still unknown types of 'thought'' and 'death rays' out! But remember, Saran Wrap is not so good! Anyway, your idea is brilliant, totally workable and practical and I just wish I had though of it myself first. There ....validated! Mart3406 ==========================
I am now seeing the whole truth emerging. Its a malady not uncommon when confined to hot climes, first emerging in Africa with the French Foreign Legion. 'DESERT FEVER' TOO MUCH TIME IN THE SUN! And that includes the subject vehicle! [along with too much tipping of the Guinness] caution this malady is very contagious and isnt yet fully understood by self proclaimed experts
I'm glad this subject came up. Because I've been told that I could bolt Vortec Chevy 350 heads on my 3.4 V6 powered Toyota 4 runner. I'm thinking I just need to drill a few new holes right?
------------------ Move each of the heads back one hole so the front two cylinders are the ones that won't fire. Problem solved! Oh yeah, and don't forget the fresh tinfoil for your hat. Mart3406 ========================
Kevin; If you would like a rational explanation of why (several reasons) your plan won't work, ask me. If not, fine. Good luck with the free electricity
I just saw my neighbor, owner of the jag outlet, throw about 20 jag motors away! But if you want power, put a 440 in it! can't go wrong there...
We put a lot of bigger 6 cyl Chryslers in Plymouths back in the early 60s. Still not a rocket ship but a lot more torque. Ive raced slant 6s in an Anglia gasser & they are tough & can be made to run pretty good. They did break cranks at the flywheel flange but thats with 5000 RPM starts with a 4 speed. An adaptor can be made to hook a T10 4 speed up to them too. Some head work, a cam and a Hyperpak Clifford repop intake with a 390 Holley would work good on the street. As for the rest, your just dreaming & wasting space on here, just my opnion. Put a V8 in it.
Jesus! didn't know I had this much sex appeal. You guys need to get a job or something really. It is an idea, that is all the concept is in the works, I have seen stranger things work on stranger engines. The flathead six is a slant six essentially with some subtle differences instead of using a slant six I wanted to go for something highly unique and new this is not a dream quest, and no, before you ask I am not on anything. The sponsorship was a joke and if you are trying to get me to leave the HAMB by attempting to use high school drama tactics it won't work. Last I checked this was called the HOKEY ASS MESSAGE BOARD. It's an idea folks, I never professed to know the formula for cold fusion or be able to run a car on fart gas this is a shit idea to kick around and have fun with in my spare musings. For those of you with lesser intelligence that cannot understand plain english FUCK OFF! this is my build/ restore page for my 230 flathead six and 54' plymouth please don't run you mouth because you are unskilled/lazy/uncultured/or have nothing to do but bash others for your own musings. Thank you. If you really doubt me do a google search on my screen name and find me on multiple other forums where I have done research and collected hard facts about how an internal combustion engine works and different variations and vehicles thereof. www.vwvortex.com www.vwdiesel.net www.suzuki-forums.com www.spyderchat.com www.contour.org www.thesamba.com www.rabitownersclub.com www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum yes, before you ask, they are really all me message me on each and find out for yourself I do understand that there is no such thing as simply bolting this on and for some of you doing a conversion would cost umpteen amounts of money/time but to some people that is fun. It takes little focus and brainpower to be a cynic and loads more to have the vision to try something "albeit a bit on the crazy side" unique but worthwhile. If someone were to succeed with the idea I am doubtless that you would soon praise their efforts in an attempt to get some sort of discount to do it for yourself. But please no more, I only want help on my build here nothing else.Cpl Kevin A. Davies, USMC thanks guys and have a happy and very safe holidays, Cpl Kevin A. Davies, USMC P.S. for all of those who input valid and very helpful advice thank you very much, I appreciate it, and god bless you and yours
I tried to help. You can lead a horse to water.....Good luck in the new year. If you get deployed stay safe. RF
As a veteran, I am now seriously concerned that, just maybe, this guy got hurt in basic training. It does happen on occasion, but the medics usually deal with them... .
KID...i don't believe for 1 second that head will work! but please post all the pictures you have.(in it's running state) i'am not to old to learn or admit i'am wrong! come on pardner i'll be here 24-7. this will be interesting...POP.
Wow. This thread certainly has legs. You've done a pretty exhaustive internet search, judging by the links, so I'd say you're ready to really jump into that old Plymouth! A length of old 2x8 would be much easier to adapt though, have a better chance of working, and if you soaked it in water for a couple of weeks, it'd really run cool!
Damn you people sure are harsh on a guy who is trying to be creative. Sure it might not make as much HP as a 318, might not have enough bottom end strength, might not do this or that or even be possible. As far as flow, strength, and performance ability flatheads suck too, but I still see people using them, even racing them. Find out the bore spacing on your motor, and then look for a similar motor with the same bore spacing. There's a guy out there with a 292 or 302 inline 6 and some chevy v8 heads cut and spliced to make a 6 cyl. head, but the first step is to get the bore spacing right. I haven't looked, or read through the 5 pages of people giving you a hard time, but is the slant 6 bore spacing right? The intake and exhaust angle might be corrected by angle milling the port faces to something more suitable. There's a lot of strange stuff that has been built. V8 Hyabusa-head motors, crazy hudson 8cyl stuff, don't let them discourage you, but you at least have to have some basic criteria that should be met, or you end up with so much hassle you'd be better off casting your own head.
Wow, don't squirt NOS on my leg and tell me I can run faster. I once bought a running, driving, 360 powered Ramcharger for $50. Surely you could find one for $500 and just put the motor and trans out of that in your car for a lot less than rebuilding the stock motor or trying to do some major modification to it that will at best result in a hughe expense for still less power than if you put the V8 in in the first place. Then you can put the 230 on a stand, get a slant-six head, and while you figure out if you can make it work you can still drive the car and enjoy it.
I actually have a lot of questions. But I'll start a new thread in this section, I want to keep this one clean for the build. I'm headed to the machinists to take some pics of the block, head is spic and span "cleaned it myself with some good ol fashioned elbow grease" pics to come soon. I'll post up the new thread as soon as I get back we will have actual pictures of the interior etc. will be picture heavy "56k beware" Once again I would like to thank all of those that are genuinely attempting to be helpful, and I do know and realize that I do not know everything, however what I do know I could also be wrong in and will readily admit it.
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