I did some searching and not sure still what to think, so I figured I'd ask outright. I bought a lot at an auction that had some motorcycle tanks and a box of misc. items. Well in the misc. box there was two air brushes, one Paasche type H, single action complete kit with #1, #3, and #5 tip, two 1 oz gl*** jars, a 3oz gl*** jar, a small paint cup. It also had several "eye droppers" , pipe cleaners etc. The second one is an Advanced Tool Design model #6849. It is a much smaller physically than the Paasche, it is dual action, has a .3 mm tip, two 22 cc gl*** jars, and a 5cc cup. I've never done any air brushing, and was wondering if these would be worth trying as a beginner. What sites or threads here would be good for explaining the use of an air brush, paints, etc? Neither one has a instruction manual, is this something I should find, or just read about it on the web somewhere? Thanks for your opinions...I think!!! EDIT: If there are some good books out there that would be worth buying for info on air brushes/brushing, please let me know. Thanks. About the only things I can think of right now I would be using these to paint would be model cars, die cast, maybe some fading and or outlining on motorcycle tanks/helmets etc. Ok, let me have it....
I had a Paasche back in the day. Let's just say it takes a VERY long time to learn how to be good with an airbrush. I took some cl***es at a local art shop but it didn't go much further than that.
I think they would be good to start with. Stat with the single action brush until you get the feel for it and then move on to dual action brush. Learn the basics by finding some books or info off the computer. The most important thing is alot of patience and try to improve everytime you practice. Here are a piece I airbrushed last year. I have been working at it over twenty ears and I still learn something new everytime I paint. Good Luck.
Thanks guys.. Hey Fiat G***er, nice looking work. I'm not sure if I'd ever get to that point...but usually once I get into something I tend to try and learn as much as I can so I can do it with confidence. The ***** of finding much out online for me is DIAL UP. I'm in an area that the only was for me to get anything high pseed internet would cost $50/month or more, so I'm stuck with $9.99/month dial up. What books would you recommend? I'd have better luck probably with books that trying to get pics and such on the web.
My 2 pennys are as follows. The single action is very unforgiving given the nature of an on or off set up. Pasche doesnt make a super fine product compared to some other stuff out there. But work with what you've got right. I would recommend starting with some liquid acryllics that are mixed for airbrush use. Golden paints make a fine product for that and it is much cheaper to use before graduating to urathanes. Also a good regulated consistant air supply is a must. should never need more than 18-20 psi depending on the airbrush and material. do some messing around to decide if it might be for you. It can be an expensive endevor should you choose to get serious. Here is some of my stuff just so you know Im not some ********ter. Good luck sounds like you could have stumbled into something awesome
**** guys...the work you guys are posting is intimidating as hell!!!! I'm thinking it would be cool to fade out some lines and outline panel jobs etc. I'm thinking this could be very fun....just takes a lot of patience and practice I would think. As for air, I've got a very well plumbed shop, but should I use my bigger regulator to get the line pressure down to say 30 or 40lbs, then use a smaller regulator to take it down further? My main regulator will not go below 30 or 40 lbs. Or is there a good big regulator that I should get that will reduce down to the very light pressures I'd need? Would it be best to use a 5 gallon air tank supplied from my big tank at say 40lbs, then pull out of this little tank with a regulator inline for the airbrush? I can do any of the above, unless it requires buying and expensive big regulator.
A single action airbrush is a good way to start...and Pasche's are a good workhorse to start with. Just try some simple sprays and patterns to start. For books to read, try your local public library. there are a ton of books out there on airbrushing, and I'm sure they'll have acouple on hand at least.
i would agree, start with the single action , though in the long run its the dual that is gonna serve ya best. just mess around with it on paper with whatever paint ya got . it doesnt take long to get the hang of the brush, then extend you talents. by the way, nice work, those of ya that posted the pics. skull
I've played with the things for thirty years when I was lettering trucks and race cars. Mostly single action; Binks & Paasche. Finally bought a Badger Dual action and forced myself to learn it. I don't even know where the others are now. I have much more control with the D/A. Play with both and see what you think will serve you best. That's the one to stick with as you learn. Try some old '60s style designs for practice. Stuff like fish scales, freak dots, overlapping geometric shapes, shaded panels, even some ghost flames. It's a fun way to waste a weekend. And yes, definitely keep your pressure low. I've never seen a need for more than 30 psi, ..... and usually much less.
wouldnt waste my time with a paasche. its what alot of the old school guys use and isnt up to par. 95% or more of custom airbrusheRs use iwata. iwata is the top dog in the airbrush world. from tshirts to fine detail murals, iwata has the brushes to use. a good starter brush would be an iwata eclipse hpcs or iwata revolution cr. the other is u need a proper regulated air supply. u cant have a setup that pulsates more pressure before it produces the regulated pressure. u will have blow outs and it wont behave the way u want it to be because line control isnt consitent. you also dont want a single action. u need to have a dual action to do proper dagger strokes. dagger strokes are the all important stroke with an airbrush.
I gotta agree with this. I only use iwata brushes, but it is how I made a living for some time. Iwata makes some really really cool stuff beyond the standard airbrush. Dual action is the way to go. switching back and fourth to single action wont help the already steep learning curve. Its all how far you want to get into it
I say you have the ones you have. Give them a shot. Don't listen to the guys that want you to go out and spend a couple hundred bucks on stuff. Give the ones you have a shot and have fun.
Exactly. You asked if they're worth trying and the answer is Yes. Nothing wrong with going to the high end if you need to rely on it for a living but for a hobbiest or someone who just wants to try his hand at something new the ones you have are fine. I've been away from it for a while but there used to be a publication called Airbrush Power. Lots of tips, tricks and How-to articles. If it's no longer available maybe you can find some older copies. There's plenty of books available specifically for airbrush work but many of the books like "How to Custom Paint", etc will have sections on airbrushes too. What kind of paint? Depends on what you're working on. Most any airbrush will spray a number of materials: water based, acrylic, enamels (I've sprayed a lot of One Shot), lacquers, even polyurethanes. Go have some fun!
Since you have both;try each one and see how you like it.A single action is harder to make varying shades with but works nicely for blending areas around scallops flames or panels.The double action is a bit more difficult to get the hang of(sort of like flying a fixed wing aircraft vs a helicopter)but ultimately is easier to use once mastered. As for Iwata and other high zoot airbrushes:you can get just as good results with any number of inexpensive brushes.I have about a dozen airbrushes of all makes(Paasche;Wold;Thayer&Chandler;etc.)and my favorite was an Aztek 3000.Easy to use;easy to clean;light;everything you could want for cheap money. There are a number of good books on airbrushing out there;a check with your local library or artist supply store should yield results. As for regulators;I used an in-line spray gun regulator without a gauge and adjusted it until I was satisfied with the flow.A moisture trap is a good idea even if you are spraying water-based paints. I used to over-thin my paints(5to1 or more)and gradually build up value and rely on a clear coat for gloss.More control for me and less clogging of the nozzles.You also might want to strain your paint more than once and with a finer screen.
I've used mine to blend paint on small rust repairs, rock chips, etc. They are awesome for door jambs and stuff because they don't blast the whole car with overspray. If nothing else, they are worth having around for that.
My two cents and probably worth less are. try the airbrushes u bought. Experiment with paints. (I find urethanes easier, but need a mask.) and just F around. But I agree that u will be limited in ur work with single action. But have fun with it and if ur serious. U can get a d/a in the future. there not expensive. I like iwata. spray guns and airbrushes. The air source can be a bit more pricey. If u have a compressor for tools though. U can use that. If u use auto-air, use caution. I would NOT recommend this for a beginner. golden and House of kolor r easier to start with. HOK is toxic. Im not as experienced as others but this has worked for me.
Go get a tablet of cheapo news print paper and some Golden black or other water based pigment and go to town. Start with dots, then connect them and move on to the dagger stroke. Might cost you around $10 bucks to see if you will like it. WARNING: can be addictive.
The VL Paasche is the best airbrush for a beginner. It will do detail enough (#1 setup using thinner paint) and is a real workhorse that will last forever. I don't know about the other one...could be anything with a private label (maybe Chinese). The practice needed to gain control can be difficult on your own, but there are any number of videos on you tube that will demonstrate practice techniques. I recently retired from a 50 year career in airbrhshing. As far as using a single action brush, forget it. I used one for a short time, then I ran into Ed Roth who told me, "It's a little hard to gain control of the double action, but once you do you will be able do much more with it". No professional today uses single action.
If anyone is more familiar with other brands enlighten me, but as far as I'm concerened you just can't beat Iwata, the revolutions start at $75. That seems pretty reasonable to me, And they make a $300 Sata airbrush seem like junk. I use a HP-C plus. still fairly reasonable at $165. It will spray as fine a detail as I have the ability to control.
Very true, Kris......but for a beginner, its simplicity and cheap parts make the VL an ideal learning gun. And he already has a VL.
If your gonna get into airbrushing this place is a must to do biz with. Been giving them money for years. http://www.coastairbrush.com/
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