Un boxed frame rails....Hmmmm...

Yep, you know what it's about.... I'm runnin' an A frame in the modified and an 8BA flatty. I'm not boxin' nothin'. Suppose it will be safe and drivable? Will I get fired from a prolific Hot Rod shop? (Appleman Interiors doesn't count... I'm the boss...ha ha ha!!!) Ya think the magic ELVES will box the frame when I leave?

Yep stirrin the pot, but DAMN, how many Bonneville racers ran in excess of 150MPH on Henry's original design with a flatmotor? S***ch

 

Well, Mister...you're gonna have one sorry looking Boydster parked in YOUR driveway!

 

Fat... glad you got the reference!!!!

 

yup not boxing my rails almost cost me my job and i cut trees for a living!!!! you never know

 

Yeah, it seems to be overkill to box a frame for a Flathead. Just go over it carefully and weld up any cracks, the crossmembers, and excess holes. This thing wasn't going to have independent suspension, wide tires, power steering, or big horsepower. On the other hand, Bluebear got a serious case of dumb*** over something pretty minor compared to the great deal he was getting. Sure wish someone would foot the bill for my project, and pay me to to build my own car! Noticed the word "sorry" never came out. Might have smoothed a lot over. Hard head, soft brains. Forget it, its only TV.

 

Who's talkin' about TV... I also cut RedWoods for a living...ha ha....

But really. I'm runnin an 8BA in my Mod (Boydster, Hack) and don't see any problem. The frame flexes a bit when I jack it up, but the doors still open fine.... Who's runnin an unboxed frame? Partial or full?

 

did BLUEBEARD get canned this week on: AS THE BILLET TURNS?

 

My 36 has been unboxed for the life of the truck and it had a 375 hp sbc in it. I think boxing is over rated.

 

I think Bluebear is a bit of a fool sometimes, but the thing is this :

If he builds that hotrod and it looks good, thats gonna make Boyd look real bad. Bluebear can't win, if he beats Boyd, the whole damn country is gonna be laughing.

Boyd 30 years
Bluebear 5 [ maybe? ]

Thats my 2 cents

L

 

if its even a question i say box them but slide the plates way inside the channel so it looks stock

problem solved

 

those frames could take more stress many years ago when they were younger... same way I could.

I'd box them some way , some how. beef them up a bit.

maybe there are liability issues with Boyds

 

The huge dumb **** Bluebear did get fired. Serves the stupid ******* right. If Boyd wanted to pay for my parts, provide me with help, and pay me to build my own car, after I kissed his ***, I would box whatever he wanted boxed and paint the damn thing ***ty pink if it made him happy. I could always repaint it. If that's all I had to spend, wtf.
I don't know how the dip**** thought he was going to fit his huge fat frame into that chopped and channeled coupe anyway. Looks are one thing, but a rod ought to be built to drive. How far is he gonna want to drive all scrunched up like that? What a ****!

On a more serious note. I'd box the frame for sure. 70+ year old metal tends to want to crack, even with a flatty in it. The A frame was designed to flex to make up for the ****ty roads of the day and the limited suspension travel. With a flat four and a top speed of about 45, flex was not much of a problem. Add horsepower, age and speed and you are asking for trouble. I don't think boxing looks bad, it just looks like you have good sense and care a bit about your safety and the safety of others on the road.

Just my .02 dollars worth.

 

yep bluebear is a dumb **** but if boyd wants to pay for all my parts and pay me to do the work on my car i would lick him down too lol and with a smile

 

So... I say I NEED a quick change and the $$$ idiot buys it...Then I say I NEED drum brakes and the $$$ guy pays for 'em...Then I say I NEED Zephyer gears and the $$$ guy says...NO you need A T-5. I don't think it's cool. And I wuz told do it my way. I toss a fit and he says...bullsh** you gotta use a T-5 cause it's better.

sorry, your money was good, but you didn't follow you're deal.

A young man like Chad will have many, MANY, more opportunities....good for him for standing up for his beliefs and not being a YES man....

 

dont bother bo**ing it if you are only running a mild Flatty on a nice set of rails. just make sure the frame holes and cracks are all fi**ed and filled. I would also made sure the motormounts "box" the frame and so do whatever ****** mount you are using.

 

ok so hes not a yes man but
yes i wanna build a car, yes i want you to pay for the parts,yes i need some help
but no i wont do it your way lol

 

I think a stock Model A frame with a flathead V8 would be fine, the frame in the fat idiots project is another story. What he was trying to do was attach the front half of a Model A frame to a new scratch built 2x4 ch***is. There was some football shaped piece welded on the outside of the joint and who knows what on the inside. Chubby lost the "Old School" look as soon as he picked up the first piece of 2x4 tubing. Time to move on.

 

I like the Blue Bear.

 

I watched the show and I would be on bluebear's side for standing up if it were not for 3 things. 1) It's boyd's shop and it's on TV, his business rep could be affected but allowing what he thought was unsaved leave the shop. Overly safe structures have never hurt anyone. 2) As mentioned he was paying for parts, and paying BB and several other helpers. I would kill for a sponsr like that. 3) He gave the dip**** a chance to shine on TV and prove he's got what it takes to manage a team and build great hot rod. I doubt that display on TV is gonna help him get hired by anyone else in the biz.

 

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So... I say I NEED a quick change and the $$$ idiot buys it...Then I say I NEED drum brakes and the $$$ guy pays for 'em...Then I say I NEED Zephyer gears and the $$$ guy says...NO you need A T-5. I don't think it's cool. And I wuz told do it my way. I toss a fit and he says...bullsh** you gotta use a T-5 cause it's better.

sorry, your money was good, but you didn't follow you're deal.

A young man like Chad will have many, MANY, more opportunities....good for him for standing up for his beliefs and not being a YES man....

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When you "own" your own business and make your "own" money, then.... make your "own" decisions

If you have a boss and want to keep your job (that is actually a pretty cool one to have)... do your part and act like an employee!

Someone paying for a car that you get to build is a privilage... not a right ( to have say what you think looks cool or not).

When you own a business and a repitable one... safety comes first, then looks!

Bluebear hasn't learned to respect that way of thought from his elders and it's all not about sticking to what you believe in, it's doing the right thing that keeps you and others safe

Dumb move on his part to get so ****y with his " I don't need to listen to you anymore" at***ude.

I just caught 5 min of that show flipping the channels between Xmas shows and that scene came on.

Oh well... don't know what happened next after that

CAB

 

It looks like Poo Bear **** in his cornflakes to me.

A long,long time ago a friend of mine was starting his first hot rod model A project,,,,,after cutting out all the unnessary hardware he had the frame sitting on concrete blocks(back then we used them as jackstands).

I ask him if he was going to use a plate on the inside of the frame(term today is box)and he said ,NO,,

Latter that day when we were enjoying our liquid lunch and a older guy dropped by and ask if we needed any help?

He was told we had everything under control but knowing this guy had be building cars for a long time and was somewhat of a local legend,,,,Ken ask him about a few things and one was the question of the frame and it's ability to withstand the V8 that was going to replace the 4 banger.

Gary(the ol' graybeard),,,,said,"take 3 blocks out from under the frame leaving one on the drivers side of the front frame rail,,,,,,now let Ken stand on the p***anger side of the front and D.R.,you stand on the drivers side rear frame rail",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I could not believe how much that frame twisted!!!

I will always box early frames after that lesson,,,,so does Ken!

This is a true story,,,,the names have not been changed nor has the story line been embellished in any way!

Last nights show just proves that the ol' Forrest Gumpp adage,,,,"stupid is as stupid does" HRP

 

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The huge dumb **** Bluebear did get fired. Serves the stupid ******* right. If Boyd wanted to pay for my parts, provide me with help, and pay me to build my own car, after I kissed his ***, I would box whatever he wanted boxed and paint the damn thing ***ty pink if it made him happy. I could always repaint it. If that's all I had to spend, wtf.
I don't know how the dip**** thought he was going to fit his huge fat frame into that chopped and channeled coupe anyway. Looks are one thing, but a rod ought to be built to drive. How far is he gonna want to drive all scrunched up like that? What a ****!

On a more serious note. I'd box the frame for sure. 70+ year old metal tends to want to crack, even with a flatty in it. The A frame was designed to flex to make up for the ****ty roads of the day and the limited suspension travel. With a flat four and a top speed of about 45, flex was not much of a problem. Add horsepower, age and speed and you are asking for trouble. I don't think boxing looks bad, it just looks like you have good sense and care a bit about your safety and the safety of others on the road.

Just my .02 dollars worth.

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Ditto. I'd have done anything he wanted and would never be able to thank him enough. He'd have bought himself a volunteer to do any little jobs, overtime, go the extra mile, gopher stuff or anything for a long time if it was me he was paying to build my own car & payin for all the parts for.....and telling me I "had to be" at the swap meet. Are you kidding me that that idiot wasn't the happiest guy on earth & at the front gate an hour before it opened chomping at the bits ?....and here Boyd was waiting for his lazy *** to show up to pay for a swap meet shopping trip ? My God. I can't believe that cur kicked right him in the heart over and over. I actually felt sorry for Boyd the way that ***hole treated him. He left him no choice.

As far as him "having many more opportunities" or whatever was said above....I'd never want an *** like that around after someone showed me a tape of that show.

 

whatever, i boxed mine for a 302.i was only going to box half, but the more a checked into it i found that boxing half may be couterproductive.if you have half stiff, and half flexing. you then have two halves no good.
i've seen a roadster w/y block get the **** drivin out of it with out a boxed frame, and it was fine. i'd say save the time the drivetrain in the roadster always was the weakest link never the frame.
as far as the blue bear i'm glad he's not a *** like most of the guys running around now.**** it's his car period as in . you got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.
you guys shouldn't watch that show if it get's your ******* all bunched up.your not living through them while your eating bon bon's on the couch get off your ***es and kill your tv.

 

It's your car and your **** that will be driving it, but if it were mine I'd go ahead and box the frame. It will add safety and be a more stable foundation to build on. Also a lot easier to do now than having to take everything back apart later on to fix a problem. I've done a couple "A's" one by boxing the original frame, the other on an American Stampings Deuce frame. The "A" was a lot easier to box. When boxing it I found a lot of cracks from metal fatigue.
Depending on how you build it a street flathead doesn't make gobs of power and torque, but remember it is still one of the heavier V-8's, and a hell of a water heater... ;^)

 

I dunno...I kinda see Bluebear's point of view...maybe cuz I can be just as stubborn at times!

If Boyd offered to let me build my Chevy in his shop, with his money and was gonna pay me to work on it, I still wouldn't let him tell me that I couldn't run a 2.8 in it...if he screamed that it needed a small block, I'd be just as pissed as Bluebear was over the frame issue!

So, I admire Bluebear for sticking to his guns and stuffing it in the face of the Great Boyd Coddington...shows a ton of moxy and "take no ****" at***ude...I like that.

On the OTHER hand, as far as boxing the frame, I think it's a good idea. Grandpa built an old Model A jalopy back in the 40s with a flathead V8 in it, and even HE boxed the rails and added gussets...said those frames were too flimsy to handle the stock four bangers!

BUT...I think Boyd was way too pig-headed about it...Bluebear did NOT want a smoothie Boydster styled frame, but he was willing to meet Boyd halfway and add a reversed C-channel type of "boxing" similar to what HotRodDrummer does...that gives the strength you need without looking like a typical contemporary frame. It would have satisfied any safety issues, and it would have given Bluebear a frame he could live with.

As was said earlier...Boyd could NOT afford to have Bluebear build a car that wouyld show him up...he's got the big name to protect, and he layed such a heavy hand on "Bluebear's" project to control the outcome that he might as well have just ordered him to build a Boydster! The rest of the kiss-*** ****-ups in the shop play Boyd's game...Bluebear stood up to him...something I'm sure Boyd's not used to!

Both sides had legitimate concerns and interests to protect...and I hear that Bluebear is working for a shop where his style of rod building will be appreciated...while Boyd still has his Yes Men...everyone's happy!

 

Television rules, i love it... always have, especially in the 70's!

not to say it isn't filled with garbage as well, but it has it's good points and it can be very entertaining and educational at times depending what your watching.

Kill your "ego"... not your television!
CAB

p.s.
your own computer is just another form/version of a television... just a little slower

 

I'd box a model A/T "ladder" frame even with a high low end torque flatty. The 35 up later frames have a much stronger X member and that is a different story. Boxing the front rails of a hot rod frame up to 32 is as traditional as split wishbones.

Instead of the frame twisting, the suspention does it's job of absorbing the bumps. Some old timers said that Ford wanted the frame to be that flexible for the rural rutted dirt roads that were more common than the paved roads of today.

I don't think of it as a "safety" issue though. If it's a solid frame it's not going to fold up on you on the interstate.

I don't believe any of the ******** that takes place on that show (I like the show) They drive up to an abandoned? shed pull out a Mustang fast back that was made up to look like it had sat for several years (is that faux patina?)...and it starts right up? Please! don't insult my intelligence. Stuff like that ruins, for me, any credibility that the show might have. Give me a break!

 

Anyone know if Bluebear got his body & frame from Boyd?
I like Bluebear, shows going to be less enjoyable without him & Charlie, but I would have let Boyd buy my parts, pay me to build it, then after all was said & done sold the car for high bucks because:
1. it came out of Boyds shop and
2. it was a famous TV show car
These two things alone would have greatly enhanced the value of the car. Then, I would have taken all that money, had a big party, then took what was left and build 2 or 3 cars like I wanted to build to start with.
There are some real nice guys on that show, and several real *****s.
Bluebear was at the Kontinentals Day of the Drags, along with Jimmy White and the guys from Circle City?, wish I had met him, those who did said he was a nice guy.

 

if you'll notice i said if it gets your ******* in a wad.
if your ******* don't budge then watch as much as you like.
computers are a fourm of media to a degree, but by no means are they anything like televison.

 

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I agree with you and your absolutely right ...TV's don't come with a "keyboard" to be able form and post an opinion on what your watching or looking at.
No matter how your soaking in information watching a screen... sitting on your ***, is sitting on your ***

I liked Bluebear as well... he was funny and the rest on that show seemed uptight all the time, hope he finds a place he'll be happier at!
CAB