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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Rusty Knutts, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. Rusty Knutts
    Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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    Finally got the valves out of a old ford flathead hoping to salvage a set of Johnson adjustable lifters. Upon removal I find 2 of the 16 are cracked. 1 across the face and 1 in between the oblong openings in the side. This has me leary of using the remaining 14 although they appear okay after a visual inspection. Just wondered if any of you guys might be willing to share any advise? I'm wondering what caused the failure of those 2.
     
  2. Bruce Lancaster
    Joined: Oct 9, 2001
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    I would suspect that the cracked ones were done in by something like turning over the engine against a totally rusted valve or someone hammering a rusted valve with cam lobe up rather than by anything in normal use...but of course that is a pure guess. Was the engine siezed up?? Any history? I can't see anything close to stock normal operation breaking one. They just don't have to work very hard.
     
  3. squirrel
    Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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    sorry...

    Rusty Knutts asking about Johnson Lifters.

    very strange
     
  4. Rusty Knutts
    Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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    Bruce, The old motor was siezed. A 59Y block that powed a stock car back in the 50's. Salvaged a weber flywheel and a merc crank from the same motor. 3 & 7/16 bore. Previous owner sold the heads and intake then moved it outside (unfortunately).
     
  5. Frenchy32
    Joined: Dec 21, 2006
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    from arizona

    Jim

    Do you know someone by the name of Jim Bangs or Buffalo he lives in Sierra Vista ?

    Frenchy
     
  6. Mr.Musico
    Joined: Jan 7, 2007
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    from SoCal

    in california we just call them jockstraps
     
  7. LIL.TIMMYUser Name
    Joined: Jan 30, 2009
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    he he he
     
  8. 70elim
    Joined: Jan 3, 2010
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    from PA

    I sent my original Johnson lifters out to H & H Flatheads and Mike Herman did a good job regrinding them at a reasonable price. I am running a new cam etc. Be careful using the old cam with reground lifters. You might run into problems with excessive cam or lifter wear.
     
  9. Vergil
    Joined: Dec 10, 2005
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    Had a new set of adjustables in a 8ba I built a couple of years ago. One of the valve seats came out with less than 900 miles on the engine. When I tore it down I found four of the lifters with hair line cracks across the face, I think the mfg name on the box was Genee or something like that. Called where I had bought them and they no longer carried that brand, sent me a new set and after 5000 + miles no problems. Guess the valve seat saved the cam but would have probably been cheaper to repair a bad camshaft.

    Vergil
     
  10. fullhouse296
    Joined: Jan 30, 2009
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    from Australia

    Johnsons always were prone to cracking .Be clever ,stellite braze the tops of a stock lifter up then grind to suit clearence.cheaper ,never needs doing again till the next valve grind ,its easy on lobes and lighter on springs .WIN WIN !
     
  11. Pete1
    Joined: Aug 23, 2004
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    from Wa.

    Coming out of a racing engine they most likely broke from valve float. Very common.
    They are way too heavy for racing and in the old days it was common to use springs that did not have enough pressure for the rpm intended.
    It would not be safe to use any of the set again.
    The stock steel hollow lifters are the best. You can either weld up the lifter or the valve stem to adjust them. No worries then till the next rebuild.

    "Been in the cam business over 50 years"
     

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