Hey guys i picked up this 21 stud flathead, fairly complete(no carb). Has compression so it might be a runner. I also got 3 24 stud flatheads none as complete as the 21. The guy i got this stuff from has a 32 frame boxed, a complete truck box and 32 grille. im going to get the frame, box and grille in the next couple of weeks. Would this motor be allright for a low buck cruiser? I know they dont make a ton of power but that isnt a real concern.What kind of transmissions would work with this motor? I'm new to this old stuff so any input from you guys who know this stuff would be great. I guess im on the lookout for an early 30s cab now Thanks.
I would spend the time and make one good engine from the 24 stud parts. Sell the 21 stud to someone that is restoring a car.
What he said, sell it to a restoration guy. Anyway, I wouldn't biuld a "rat rod cruiser" with it. Use the 24 studs to biuld a hot rod.
Nope, what I would do is strip the 21 stud and sell the pieces you don't need for the 24 stud. The pieces might be worth more than the whole engine. Trying to figure out what the second picture is. Looks like it came from a commercial power source rather than a car or truck. Generator looks big, looks like that would be a governor of some sort, crankshaft pulley changed, generator pulley wrong,. Yep, I would strip it out , rebuild parts as necessary , and put them up for those people who need parts, the short block would sell as it appears to be in good condition. You really don't want that in a car at this time, unless it has been converted to bearing inserts. Traderjack
what year do you think this motor is? the guy who gave it to me said '36, i read on here that some '36 motors had newer style bearings. i couldnt find LB stamped anywhere, guessing it has babbits?
It makes little difference whether you think the bearings are inserts, you have to know! And that means drop the pan and pull a rod off. You would want to do that anyway if you are going to put in a car. they will make power, just not as much as a 24 stud, but as I said, the babbit bearings will make rebuilds harder. If it has inserts , use it! I think it was running a very short time ago, looking at the spark plugs! Traderjack
I'm really curious as to what that second pully /pump is for on the right side. anyone seen one like that before??
i flipped it over and went to pull the pan but it seems that the back of the pan is part of the lower bellhousing? im such a FNG with these things, does this sound right? is it possible to pull the pan on the stand?
That is a constand speed governor. Mostly for engines used in generators etc. Flathead Fords were used in a lot of industrail applications. You will have to pull a main bearing cap to see if it is a babbit engine or not.
Check out the water pumps the outlet or inlet is on top of the housing but maybe i dont know what iam talking about. It has a governor so it was used as a power unit for some thing.
Well, I have never seen a Ford with integral pan and bell housing, but I suppose anything is possible. If I remember correctly though the pan drops and you have to use a long extension to get to the pan bolts at the back of the motor. good luck, and you got a good deal! Traderjack
well i got the pan off, i had to adjust the 4 brackets on the engine stand all to the top of the bellhousing and after that the pan/started pulled right off, the crank turns freely and sounds like there is some good compression..can you tell what style bearings i have from the pics or do i have to pull a cap?
Look at the rods and the mains where they join and see if you can see any shiim stock. We used to have the shim the stuff after s****ing the bearings. TraderJack
Babbit or not, I'd simply check the tolerances and run it if its still in decent shape. Babbit is can be a h***le to rebuild, but- if its only showing minimal wear, it will be fine for a local cruiser. Finding babbit bearings doesnt mean you need to put a steel pot on your head and bang on it with a s****, save that exercize only if the babbit is damaged or worn out. I ran a 1935 babbit motor for years, was a smooth runner.
Damn, that motor is pretty clean inside. You may have a winner in this one. It doesn't take that much more effort to build a clean little hotrod instead one of those R things either.
Great score, pump in head motors are great. If you are going to play around with that mill I'd suggest spending the $25 on material and a couple hours to build a correct flathead style engine stand head. Having it bolted to that engine stand by the bell housing is bad news as it can break the bellhousing. Also there are TONS of great flathead books avail, these books are worth every penny you spend also find a couple guys that KNOW about flatheads locally and pick their brains. Another suggestion is LUBE the hell out of that engine before firing it up, get as much oil up in and around the valves and guides as possible days and days before firing it. If it has sat any length of time it WILL have some stuck valves. Lastly prepare for an addiction, you will LOVE wrenching on the flathead. I have 2 and the one I bought this summer has provided many hours of good times with friends, tools, beer and then more books and learning...
Whats the serial number on the top of the bell housing? Depending what it is, you can get a rough idea of the year it was ***embled by looking here. http://www.wnyrg.org/tip.html
cool, ill make up one of those mounting brackets tomorrow or tuesday, for now ill wedge a 2x4 under the front end to take some weight off the bellhousing.
Yeah, babbit bearing 21 studs are stupid All rods will be insert bearings, only mains will be babbit. Check out that 24 stud, too. It could be a 221...
67cst ...... the "R" thing is a word that is generally frowned apon on this site ..... it stand for ......dare I say it "rat rod". That's kinda a NO NO round hear. Save yourself a bit of greef ....... your going to build a HOT ROD .... ya ...... that's what it is - a HOT ROD. PACO
looked all over the bell housing cant find any numbers..are they there somewhere or maybe there wasnt any to begin with?
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