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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pugs, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. pugs
    Joined: Dec 18, 2008
    Posts: 498

    pugs
    Member
    from Hamburg Pa

    anybody know the weight difference between a sb chevy and sb mopar, thanx
     
  2. 69fury
    Joined: Feb 24, 2009
    Posts: 1,726

    69fury
    Member
    from Topeka

    This chart states 550#each but i've seen a few sites that have Ma Mopar's little mills at 535#. Alloy heads and intake, and i think the Mopar advantage increases even more.

    Dimensions:
    A Outside of valve cover to outside of other valve cover
    B Outside of exhaust manifold to outside of other exhaust manifold
    C Height from bottom of sump to top of air cleaner
    D Height from bottom of sumt to highest point on intake manifold
    E Height from bottom of sump to top of Carburetor
    F Length from rear mounting surface to water pump pulley
    G Length from rear of intake manifold to water pump pulley
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    AMC-6 232/258 rear left 525 24 24 29 35 26 30 25
    AMC V8 360/401 rear right 540 21.5 25.5 29.5 29.5 28 29 21.5
    304/390
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Buick V6 196/231 middle right 370 24 26 28.5 23 25.5 23 21.5
    252
    Buick V8 350 rear right 450 23 28.5 28.5 30.5 25.5 29 21.5
    Buick V8 430/455 middle left 600 23 28 30 30 27 29 22
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Chevy 4 153 front right 350 16 23.5 28 23.5 25.5 22.5 24
    All GM 6 250 rear right 410 16 23.5 28 32.5 25.5 30.5 24
    Chevy SB 350 etc rear right 550 22 26 27 27 25 26.5 25
    Chevy BB 454 etc rear right 625 22 27 33 30.5 29.5 30.5 23.5
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Ford-6 144/250 front right 400 17 17 28 31 26 29 24
    Ford-6 240/300 front right 400 13 13 28 32 26 30 24
    Ford V8 260/289 front right 460 20 22 27 29 25 29 27
    302/351
    Ford V8 332/252 front right 625 23 27 32 32 30 32 30
    (FE?) 390/428
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mopar-6 198/225 front right 475 24 30 26 31.5 22 30 29.5
    engine dimension info for swaps Page 1 of 3
    http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html 12/29/2002
    Mopar V8 273/318 front left 550 20.5 25 31 29.5 28 29.5 23.5
    340/360
    Mopar V8 383/400 front left 670 20.5 29.5 30.5 30 28 29 24
    440
    MoparHemi426 center left 690 28.5 29 31 31 28 32 24
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Olds V8 330/350 rear left 600 21.5 26.5 31 31 27 29 24
    455
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    PontiacV8350/400 rear left 590 22 27 31 29 26 28.5 27
    PontiacV8 455 rear right 640 23 27 33 32 28.5 29.5 27
    Engine CID Sump Starter Weight A B C D E F G
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Caddy V8 472/500 middle right 600 23.5 28 32 30.5 29 30 28.5
     
  3. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
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    Deuces

    You sure about that Rambler???
     
  4. Yeah, sbc's are the ****!
     
  5. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,684

    Deuces

    Thanks Uncle! :)
     
  6. RamblerClassic
    Joined: Dec 5, 2009
    Posts: 140

    RamblerClassic
    Member

    Well, atleast there's nothing special to me about a 350, Just my opinion, they are too common.
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2010
  7. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
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    Deuces

    I'm done on this thread... Guess I've heard enough!
     
  8. jcmarz
    Joined: Jan 10, 2010
    Posts: 4,631

    jcmarz
    Member
    from Chino, Ca

    Some people just can't accept the fact that the small block Chevrolet is the best designed engine period. The fact that it is 55 years old and stlll being produced speaks volumes. NO other engine has been in continueous production for 50+ years.
    Make all the noise you want, you can't change facts.
     
  9. KJSR
    Joined: Mar 7, 2008
    Posts: 2,497

    KJSR
    Member
    from Utah

    I think the noise he is making just that.......noise.

    Another FNG giving decent FNG's a bad name:rolleyes:
     
  10. Licensed to kill
    Joined: Oct 4, 2009
    Posts: 214

    Licensed to kill
    Member
    from Alberta

    :D:D I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there:D:D HEY, I got one, 426 hemi's are over-rated boat anchors, a Honda civic will kick a hemi 'cuda's *** all over the neighbourhood....BWAAAHAAAAHAAA:D:D

    318......gimme a break:rolleyes:
     
  11. lowelife
    Joined: Aug 30, 2007
    Posts: 399

    lowelife
    Member

    ...and on to the next thread
     
  12. RatRoy
    Joined: Jul 9, 2008
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    RatRoy
    Member

    Go to any engine builder in the USA and ask which motor is more cost effective to build, has better parts available and will run longer between a SBC 350 and anything else. :eek:
     
  13. badshifter
    Joined: Apr 28, 2006
    Posts: 3,627

    badshifter
    Member

    Glad to receive this valuable information. Guess I better get started taking that reliable, inexpensive, simple, underperforming engine out of the majority of my cars. How bout my flatheads? **** too?
     
  14. Shaggy
    Joined: Mar 6, 2003
    Posts: 5,207

    Shaggy
    Member
    from Sultan, WA

    I wouldnt doubt him, he's into ramblers so he must know about fast cars!!
     
  15. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,684

    Deuces

    This is a great way to start off the morning... Coffee, meds and a good laugh!! :)
     
  16. LOST ANGEL
    Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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    LOST ANGEL
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  17. pugs
    Joined: Dec 18, 2008
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    pugs
    Member
    from Hamburg Pa

    dang ya ask a simple question here and it starts a ******* match .:D
    i asked for weight comparison not which engine is better. thanx to the guys who posted some info i was looking for
     
  18. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,684

    Deuces

    Sorry pugs! Didn't mean for this to happen.. There's always a nutcase that's gonna throw a wrench into the works. :(
     
  19. 73RR
    Joined: Jan 29, 2007
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    73RR
    Member

    Just keep in mind that the various charts, rarely, if ever qualify the weights listed by indicating exactly what they are weighing...starters, generators, alternators, air clearners, exhaust manifolds, with or without fluids...you get the picture.


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  20. retromotors
    Joined: Dec 10, 2008
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    retromotors
    Member

    Yeah, and if that ain't bad enough he's making us Rambler kooks look bad!:D
     
  21. Deuces
    Joined: Nov 3, 2009
    Posts: 26,684

    Deuces

  22. ramzoom
    Joined: Apr 25, 2008
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    ramzoom
    Member
    from California

    We do that to ourselves everytime we get in our Ramblers...lol.,.,
     
  23. RamblerClassic
    Joined: Dec 5, 2009
    Posts: 140

    RamblerClassic
    Member

    No, they arent even cheap, $4000 dollars can get you either a stock 350, or a kick*** 383.
    The reason they sell the most, is cause you can get them in crate motors, and they are cheap for factories to build. but thats what you get, $2000 for a used engine, and now its stuck. Good thinking

    Did you know that the briggs 1 horse has been used for 70+ years? Is it the "Greatest" no.

    The best from an engineering stand point, is the 351 cleveland. any reason? no, im saying it cause you said 350 is, and you have no reasoning.

    Not reliable, nowadays, they are ALL made in china, (save for edelbrock) and are so UNreliable. and so expensive for such a weak motor! $4000 for a crate motor? Not cheap, maybe lazy. But certainly not cheap. And what you said is another reason why i hate 350's, Because YOU PUT THEM IN EVERY GOD DAMNED CAR YOU GET! Then for some reason, (not joking) you tend to YANK the motor out of your car, then sell an empty car, if your motor is so cheap? leave it in there you ****ing chevy head!

    350's are like camaro's, im tired of seeing them at every god damned carshow there is.

    Ever heard of the 57 Rambler rebel? its 327 could easily kill a 350, the only thing chevy did, was take a corvette, and use fuel injection, and only, on a GOOD DAY, could chevy's beat a rambler.




    You chevy guys never cease to make me laugh, you guys know your the ***-end of jokes from rambler/ford/mopar/anythingelse guys everyday!


    AHAHAHAHAHA.
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2010
  24. 53sled
    Joined: Jul 5, 2005
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    53sled
    Member
    from KCMO

    I don't hear any jokes. Zora Arkus Duntov would certainly have some choice words for you.
     
  25. Licensed to kill
    Joined: Oct 4, 2009
    Posts: 214

    Licensed to kill
    Member
    from Alberta

    See kids, this why you shouldn't do drugs. Seriously, your first post was funny but it's getting old real fast (and lame). Everyone has their favorites. That's what makes the world go 'round. If you feel that strongly about it, why not offer an open challenge for pinks to anyone with a sbc. Might have trouble finding someone that wants a rambler though.
     
  26. 73RR
    Joined: Jan 29, 2007
    Posts: 7,342

    73RR
    Member

    WOW! This started out as a comparison of physical size and weight, which was going quite well, until...
    Maybe the 'rambler guy' will be kind enough to go back and delete his diatribe and then others will follow until we get back to the size/weight thing....

    .
     
  27. jcmarz
    Joined: Jan 10, 2010
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    jcmarz
    Member
    from Chino, Ca

    I can get back to the size/weight thing..............I have a 200 pound woman chasing me around.
     
  28. 56nobrakes
    Joined: Aug 9, 2005
    Posts: 38

    56nobrakes
    Member

    Who the f@# cares. Just build it. I say just build the biggest motor you got and fit it into the smallest space available
    I owned a Rambler once, just once.
     
  29. moter
    Joined: Jul 9, 2008
    Posts: 1,131

    moter
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    Last edited: Mar 11, 2010
  30. saltracer219
    Joined: Sep 23, 2006
    Posts: 1,170

    saltracer219
    Member

    Boy, have you got a lot to learn kid! I see you are looking for 327 Rambler engines, try looking in the bottom of the harbor you live by. They were a poor attempt by Rambler to copy G.M's early Olds and Cad motors.
     

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