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Early SBF timing cover fit a late model SBF?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Frank, Sep 16, 2006.

  1. Frank
    Joined: Jul 30, 2004
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    If I had any luck with my searches I wouln't post this. I know I have seen it discussed before.

    Will the early SBF timing cover that had the oil fill tube interchange with a late model (90's) SBF? Like a cover from a 221 or 260 fit the 302?

    I know there are some things that don't interchange between SBF I read in a magazine once, but I don't remember what all to be a aware of. I seem to remember something about the timing covers.
     
  2. SlowandLow63
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    it should owever the late cover takes a different water pump and the early cover will relocate the timing mark to the driver side so u will need to make a new timing mark
     
  3. a/fxcomet
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    I have a '64 cover with the boss for the filler. It didnt have the filler there, but Ford was still using that style. It is now on a '89 5.0 block. Works fine. You wont be able to use the filler, because the new blocks are slightly differnt. They dont match up, so if you put oil in the filler, it would go on the ground. I used a Profestional products harmonic dampner. It has 3 sets of degree marks on it (easy to read), so I can still use the stock timing mark. It can be bought in 28oz or 50 oz, so it will work with whatever combo your running.
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    http://www.cnc-motorsports.com/product.asp?ProdID=8041&CtgID=19111

    I checked it when I installed it, and it was off 2deg. But when you account for that, it works great.
     
  4. a/fxcomet
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    Forgot to say I bolted everything from the front of my old '64 289 to the front of the '89 5.0 block.

    Just looked at my dads '67 Mustang the happens to be in the driveway, and it looks like the 289 in it is the same as the '89 block: ie you can bolt it on and it will work as a timing cover, but you wont be able to use the filler.

    Do you want to sell it? I have been looking for one for a while for my rpu project. I even have a 5 bolt block to use it on :) . I have a 5.0 cover if you need it.
     
  5. Mojo
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    I have a 67 289 front cover on a late 80's 302 block, works fine except the pulley locations are hard to line up.
     
  6. Flat Ernie
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    Been a while, but I think you can interchange the water pumps. Late pump is reverse rotation for serpentine system, but inlet/outlet are in same place w/same bolt pattern - just use the pump for your application...like I said, been a while though.
     
  7. 48fordnut
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    ditto on the above, dosen't matter which water pump you use. I like the 84 mustang, seems to fit all requirements for std rotation. and is alum.
     
  8. Frank
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    I don't have the cover, I just might be using a newer motor though. I was thinking of using the older cover to be a bit more period correct but I don't want it if the filler isn't usable.

    I haven't seen one up close in a while. I just figured it filled the oil through the top and poured down over the gears.
     
  9. PunkAssGearhead88
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    Bringing this old thread back up.. Will the early timing cover with the filler (like one off a 1962 260 to be exact) fit an early 70's 351W? If so would the oil filler be functional?
     
  10. thadeal4real
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    no the 351 has a diff pan size
     
  11. Flat Ernie
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    Actually, the front is the same. You can mix-n-match front covers between 260/289/302/351W. The rear of the 351W pan is different where it goes over the larger rear main bearing. In fact, you can graft a 351W rear section to a 302 pan - they're the same in every other way.
     
  12. thadeal4real
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    o cool i knew it was something to pay attention to
     
  13. Deuces
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    You sure about that NG?? I bolted a 5.0L front cover and water pump on a carbed '95 "roller" windsor Lightning truck block with no problems. I'm sure the older 302 front covers will bolt on also.
     
  14. PunkAssGearhead88
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    Thanks for the verification, will the oil filler still be functional as well?
     
  15. Flat Ernie
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    I'll be honest - I'm not familiar with the very early oil filler, but looking at pics of it, I see no reason why it should not work.
     
  16. dirtbag13
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    on the newer 5.0 blocks there is no provision in the block casting for the oil fill passage so the earlier tining covers with the oil fill tube won't work !
     
  17. Frank
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    Yeah, I learned this later. I think if you used one, it would just be for the looks.
     

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