What would you do with this buyer?

Leaded,
Thanks for your post. I have sold overseas before and this thread has nothing to do with Norway or its people (other then there gun laws I suppose). ALL the worlds peoples are worried about scams as a few ruin it for the rest of us. But as a long time hot rodder I have found that 99.9% are all honest, trustworthy hard working people and their cars are a extension of them.
I have removed the money from my "wire account" so for me the transaction is complete. I do have ***le and paperwork still as the buyer has requested nothing other then material and labor prices for upgrades. The buyer was anxious to get the additional work started originally until his last email asking to wait a week before dismantling the truck (7 weeks ago) ...So yes maybe some tragedy has side tracked him - hospital - jail - wife found out about it?
I did check with the local gun shop owner about my responsibility to report this to the authorities (if any) and he said that "no crime was committed and planning or discussing a crime is in no way illegal"...?
The buyer has my PO Box Address and my phone number but all I have is his name and email address so finding him will be diffucult. I didn't think about getting his info as the last car I sold went to Australia and the buyer was ON TOP OF IT (as most of us would be) - He was in my email box and on the phone everyday until we dropped the car off at his Long Beach Ca. shipping company....
Thanks - Chuck

 

Sounds like you have covered the issues others have brought up and are aware the gun thing is a no effin way deal.
I'd suggest waiting for an answer, but I would outline in an email ASAP very carefully that you are storing the vehicle inside and covered, but:
1. this is a short-term convenience you are providing, and there will be charges beyond a specified date (itemize both the amount and the start date) and
2. While you are willing to take reasonable care of the item, you are NOT legally responsible if it is damaged or stolen. Read the disclaimer on any paid parking stub.

I bet if you talked to your insurance agent about the hazards ***ociated with storing another person's property in your care, they could tell you some real horror stories....
Wild crazy example: What if the truck starts a fire in your garage?

 

RSR,
Excellent point. Hopefully this will be resolved quickly as I could use the shop space and don't want the liability.
Thanks.

 

Wrong.

A good wire transfer cannot be reversed without the consent of the one receiving it, and often not even then. (If the receiver agrees to refund he must usually re-wire the funds back.)

Only a transfer into your account made by bank error, or a fraudulent order from the sender's account, can be reversed.

Any transfer order willingly made by the sender (even if he is being scammed) and correctly directed to the receiver's account is good cannot be reversed.

See the Uniform Commercial Code article 4A, and also see Regulation E.

 

Yes x2.
Can we please put this one to bed.

For the fearfull, paranoid, conspiracy therorists and downright dumb. Please take a moment to think of the consequences if what you fear, were in fact reality.

The national and international banking systems would be usless because everyone would be debiting everyone elses accounts. *All national and International trade would be in crisis because all money held in banks would be compromised. Sweet jesus not even the crooks and thieves money would be safe from plunder. Also if wire fund reversals were being made surely your news media would bring this fact to the nations attention. If this were the case the governments would p*** new banking regulations, but no, we havn't heard any of this because it dosn't exist.

As I said in an earlier post (#12) the only way money can be withdrawn from your account is if you give the transferer your PIN (Personal Identification Number) or account P***word, or a computer hacker hacks into the banks security system. Another way funds can be withdrawn is by the bank reclaiming funds they have inadvertantly deposited into the account. In this situation the bank will write to you and advise you of the transaction.
That's it! No one else can get your funds. If a hacker gets your loot, the bank is liable to reimburse you for your loss.

It is not neccessary to remove funds from your acct and move them to another, but I know some are fearfull and will not feel their money is safe unless this is done.

You can't even put your money under the bed (like in the old days) because we all know the commies are under there.

*Worldwide, all governments are very concerned about the integrity of their banking systems. The two main threats are from terrorist groups and organised criminal gangs. In particular, the so called Russian Mafia are well organised and have mounted successful raids on some banks, most often Investment Banks. For security reasons we would not be told if any terrorist groups had hacked into banks. However we can be sure that the Central, National or Reserve Banks would follow government instructions to provide funds to the affected bank/s should they be compromised.

The level of security banks provide to their customers funds are of the highest order, the thought that a depositor or payer of funds into an induviduals account could then on a whim decide to rescind the transaction is laughable. As I said earlier the entire world banking system would be in crisis. OK, for those a**** you you are saying 'but the system is in crisis' I agree, but not for want of customer account security.

 

"1934 Coupe" is correct. Pull all the money from the account and close it. You can then deal from a secure position.
There is a way that the bank can come back and tell you the transaction was bogus. The owner of Street Dreamz of Denver Co. explained to me, during a sale, how this had happened to him. The money was actually pulled back from his account.

I would give the guy a little time and see what he does. You may need to try to establish a contact near him to see if he seems to be legal. Worst case tell him you are going to return his money and resell it. I wouldn't try to resell it before he is paid off and out of the picture. Drug dealers come in all shapes and sizes, including the 357 size.

 

put the cash in a saftey deposit box and cover your *** to hell with the rest if he wants his damn truck he would have already been in touch,dudes probably dead by his own gun.

 

You're in plenty good shape car deal wise. You've got the money and the ***le and nobody can take the money back from you. No worries there except getting the guy his vehicle. I'm sure it'll work out, keep being patient and you may end up making a life long friend.

But that right there, up above that is (in your quote), is what's called Conspiracy. Don't believe anything a gun shop owner tells you. Just sayin'...You go to a gun shop to buy guns. You should get your legal advice from a lawyer. Nothing will land you in jail quicker than taking legal advice you heard down at the gun shop. Seriously.

I for sure don't think you've done wrong. He asked you to do something illegal. You didn't discuss it in detail with him or build the stashbox or go get deagles wif dambeemz. But I sure wouldn't be posting about it and I wouldn't be listening to legal advice from anybody down at the gun shop.

 

a buddy once sold a car on ebay, 5500.00, was paid in full, never heard from guy again, been going on 3 years now, he talked to a lawyer, lawyer said send a registered letter, stating car must be picked up in 30 days or forfeit $$, letter was sent back (return to sender), wierd deal

 

things happen family emergency ? ect.
and the truck may be the last thing on his mind
i know its hard holding the garague space
i would give itmore time how much ? your paid
i bought a car paid for the thing wife ended op in hospital almost lost her from blood loss internoly
guy sold the car after 3 weaks and kept my $$$ wife is more important

 

Tell him you also work for the police as in FBI and dont think that would be a good idea and maybe he should just get the truck and look for someone else for other shipping lol

 

Jandlcars,
Thats insane - 3 Weeks? Post his name and address! The only reason I wrote this post was because of the gun thing. I was wondering if other guys selling overseas have heard about or have been asked to "send stuff".... Otherwise its been 7 weeks right now and at worst I'll push the ol truck out into the bull pen and it can sit outside for awhile...
I sent him another email outlining storage costs and liability issues... still zip on a response.

 

Call the United States Customs Office and tell them this person is asking you smuggle firearms out of the country.

 

That's a damn good reason not to live in a "paranoid state"

 

So, any updates?

 

hell, that **** about the secret compartment laws is a crock of ****,In FLORIDA the only time cops look for secret compartments is during drug busts.

 

No updates to report. I continue to send emails with no response from the buyer. Its been 2 months+ now. The weather's back in the 70s here now with no more rain forecasted so the trucks been moved outside into the bull pen.

I'll post when/if I hear something from Mr. Norway -

 

Any updates on this or how it ended?

 

I'm a licensed dealer in Austin TX. There are tons of scams out there that put what looks like real money into peoples acct's that initially clears then it all unfolds at a later date and your left holding the bag.

Good thing you still have the truck. Check with your bank and get them to guarantee the funds are yours and will not be retracted or prove false before you let it go.

 

Nothing to add to this thread other than TJ/Muroc Speedshop owner is a REALLY standup guy. He helped me with a deal gone sour (for an Edlund wishbone frame) in Sweden (not even where he lives) a few years ago. Although I sent him a few parts that I hope he could use, he didn't expect anything for his trouble. The world would be a better place with more folks like him around.
Larry T

 

The dude just called me and said I should pick up the truck, and all the paperwork for him. Will you be home on Sunday?