banjo or quick change?

Im thinking about going with a quick change rear for my AV8 build. I have a 29 coupe that im building to resemble a 50s style hot rod with fenders. The question is I have the original model A rear end in the car and Im wanting to go to open drive train. So thats what got me thinking of going to a quick change, plus I like the look of it. The quick change im thinking of going with because of the availability of it to me is a franklin QC. I wondering if I go this route what all needs to be done to run ford bells and brakes? I read a few tech write ups on this but not sure if it is going to work with me. Is there any way to keep the p***enger car bolt pattern and still be able to run fenders with the franklin quick change rear? Ive got the vern tardel book and he really doesnt go into depth on the QC rearend he is useing. So I was just wanting to know how I can make this work with my hotrod?

Also I thought about going with the stock model A rear but then I hear it isnt the best to go with and plus i would have to conver it to open drive and probly rebuild the rear and the open drive conversion is like $300.

I also thought about going with a later banjo rearend and usig the f1 truck open drive adapeter on the rearend form a truck rearend?

Basically whats the best route to go? Im also going to runa ford toploader 3spd, it is from an f1 and it is opendrive. i could convert it to closed drive but really dont want to dissasemble the trans to switch it. The trans is in such good shape.

 

you need a 32 and later banjo to convert it to open drive i think
model a's have a 1 piece drive shaft and the 32 and later have a 2 piece
changing to a quick change will cost alot more than a $300 adapter so if cost iant an issue switch a roo
tk

 

well I saw speedway had a adapter for the model A for like $300 thats why i said that. I saw a thread on here on how to make an adapter for A banjo but i think it was for a later banjo.

 

This is a subject I am torn on. I really like to do a banjo in the next car I do, however, not knowing "that" much about them, I am not sure. Open Driveline would be the way I would go, as I would want a Flathead with a T5 on it this time around. Not so sure I want the stock 3 speed.

I really do like a quickchange. Not only for looks, but the performance you can achieve with the gearing. I dont like the price. I really would not like to buy a new Winters unit, as it looks like all you did was pay for it. Then again, old style quick changes aren't cheap either.

I know, lots of help.

 

Anyone ever heard of these guys or do you know anything about these kits...They seem pretty resonable....http://www.****spadaro.com/quickchange.htm

 

****'s on here almost every day.

He sells good stuff.

If you have any questions, PM him.

Rich

 

Just my opinion but I like the look of original Banjo rears compared to Quickies. I the quickchange is pretty rad by all means but it seems like everybody that has a ton of money throws them on cars now a days with no intention of ever using them as intended.

The stock looking banjo is just a super clean looking rear and in my own opinion is by far the best looking rear end under any hot rod. In my '32 I am going to set my rear up with 9" live axles as to beef it up considerably and will probably have more into it then a quickie but the look is going to be exactly what I want under my hot rod. If I had a quickie I am sure I would never change the gears either so it because superfluous.


I have a '36 Banjo being built for my '35 coupe right now. I went a head and found some 3.54 gears from a '39 Merc and we are mating the two rears since the drive shaft is welded to the gears on '39 & '40 Mercs. I think this thing is going to be awesome under my coupe and should give me exactly the right gearing I need when coupled with a '39 Ford Trans and a 32.5" tall tire.

Go Banjo!!!

 

I got one from ****, I like it the only thing I would change if I could is the V8 emblem machined into the housing

 

The only thing that looks better than a banjo is a banjo with a quickchange! Yes Winters needs to ditch the V8 ball milled in their QC. **** is a good guy too!

 

Shouldn't the question be, how much HP am I running through it and will I ever need to change my final drive ratio in a hurry?
If the question is what looks better, go back to your street rod.

Doc.

EDIT;
Didn't mean to sound like a *** hole, but you get the idea?

 

I change gears in mine sometimes I run a 3.04 for roadtrips and a 3.49 for home usually, I flipped the 3.04 once for a parade to a 5.55 ratio and I sometimes flat tow it and just pull a gear off to disengage the driveline

 

Oh yea, one more thing to muddy the water, since you mentioned **** Spadaro....

I see that So-Cal makes new bells that are already to accept the 9 inch axles and bearings. This really caught my eye, but they have yet to get back to me on my questions..

 

I think the more I think about it I will probly stick with the banjo. Im not going to run any crazy hp out of my engine and not going to drag the car just want a good driver that i can enjoy and drive.

I have a friend that has an opendrive banjo out of a truck, does anyone know what gear is in it? Also can I get a different gear for it to make it more suitable for long trips if it is a low gear? And last question is will this banjo be to wide for my coupe because im wanting to run fenders?

Thanks
Billy

 

i am goig to put a quickie in my 31 slant window because i want to go places with it and not rev the piss out of my banger motor
i'll only have about 80 hp but it only revs 4,000 rpm
plus i am using stock a trans and torque tube
tk

 

Halibrand made a quickchange based off the Model A axle. They are refereed to as a 101 case. I had a 101H, it accepted standard model A tubes and axles. It also took the standard 6 spline drop in gears. Sold it, never got a chance to use it.

 

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Benjamin did not make a quickchange!

 

If you want to run a Halibrand or Winters Model A/Midget or V8 style quick change with a T5 and a torque tube, Crazydaddyo here on the HAMB has engineered a conversion and runs a closed driveline on his roadster pickemup.

 

will I have an issue with the rear fitting under my car if I use an opend drive truck banjo? or a later model closed banjo? Im going to run fenders on my coupe?

Also there is a guy not far from me wanting to sale a halibrand quickchange for $600 i need to go look and see what kind it is? Is there away to identify the size of it and if i can use it?

 

Halibrand Type 101 Model A/Midget - this was the original - should have 101 cast on the lower spine. V8 Type 201 has longer snout than the Model A/ Midget and the side bells are 9 3/8" diameter as opposed to 9" even on the Type 101. Type 301 Champ is much bigger and easily identified by 12 bolt ribbed rear cover. Type 101/201 have six bolt rear cover. Top QC in photo is Type 201/V8, bottom is Type 101/Model A/Midget

 

Looking at the link, there's a choice of three rear covers, so it appears that you could get rid of the V8 emblem if you wanted.

 

Type 301 Champ

 

I think the truck banjo will be too wide for a model A, especially if you're running fenders. You can use the open drive yoke, ring and pinion in a narrower 35-41 rear though. The gear ratio on banjo rears is usually stamped on the bottom of the centersection along the spine near the pinion flange. although I have seen a few that are unmarked. 4.11 gears with a flathead/3 spd are basically unusable on the highway, I've got 3.48 gears in my QC right now and even that seems to wind a bit higher than I'd like at 70-75mph. If you can make it happen, I strongly suggest the QC.

 

201...

 

thunderbird sent you an pm

 

I am currently setting up a 101 QC (Thanks HemiSteve) for my T Roadster.
A housings, axles and carrier. AR 3.70 R&P.

Banger with a T-5, using a Mac's bellhousing from NZ

Undecided on open or closed drive. Waiting for some info from Dan on his CD conversion for a T-5

48 brakes. 35 wires. Firestone Dirt Trackers

****** expensive way to put less than 100hp to the ground.....don't suppose I'm gonna blow up a T-5 or 101 QC with my bog standard 4 banger

 

how much does a complete halibrand v8 quick change go for? Im talking complete all the way out to the big wide 5 drums? used of course came out of an old dirt track car. Im going to look at it today, the guy says it has the 10 bolt center section for the bells to bolt to.

 

Most 32's used the same center section and internals as the Model A. The Halibrand 101 Quick Change will work for these. Late 32's, 33's & 34's used the "narrow" stradle mount pinion center section. Hilborn did not make a quick change for these. The 201 Hilborn unit was designed for the 35-48 "wide" stradle mount pinion center section. The 201 will take more torque then the 101 case.

I have been running a 101 case in my A-V8 on a '32 Ch***is for more then 5 years now. I have a 59 AB engine that is mildly warmed up and I have driven the car many thousands of miles with out any problems at all with the Quick Change. The only modification I did was to convert the Pinion Ball Bearings that Halibrand used to Timkin Tapered Roller Bearings like what Ford used. This will give you a lot longer pinion bearing life. I did use NEW Axles which are the same as Model A. The new Repo axles I bought were very high quality and look like they will last longer then the rest of the car.

I also like a closed drive shaft in a Hot Rod. It makes a cleaner installation and in the long run it is usually easier.

I have been told that there is a guy in Austraila that is reproducing the 101 Quick Change.

I hope this helps,

Chris

Remember,
COUPES are COOL but ROADSTERS RULE!!!!

 

Rodsville makes a nice Halibrand copy with no V8 emblem. Around 1600.00 for a complete center section with 3;78 R&P. I suspect you could put a quickie together for around 2000.00 to 2500.00. A bit less if you get lucky at swap meets. I would be very careful buying a used unit, especially one that has been repaired. I've run them in all my roadsters with no problems. Can't beat the whine.

 

the halibrand i went to see yesterday is a 302 with 12 to 10 side plate adapters, it looks like a magnesium QC and it has culver city on it. Is it worth $500? I was told no one has a differential for it so it wouldnt be good to use a spool on the streets. Also I was thinking it might be to wide for my coupe with fenders. anyone got any suggestions on it?

 

It also has early ford backing plates and drums. the left side has a early ford bell and tube and the right side has and standrd bell and tube on it. It does have a set of big hubs on it. Any info
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