so i picked up a jones quickie it was set up for round round racing with live axles and a spool it has 10 screws per side where the bell bolt on. i took it apart and i realized that my stock model A axle housings fit perfectly. what do i need to make this thing work in my A also its magnesium (spelling?) tk it only says Jones on thre bottom i added pics about 5 posts down tk
I worked for Levi Jones for awhile and as I recall those center sections would interchange with the stock model A center completely. Model A axles, spiders, carrier etc. They were made primarily for midgets.
thats awsome looks like i'll have a quickie in my a real soon where can i get parts (bearings and such) what about an assembly manual so i can set it up correctly thanks tk
Levi is still around. I believe he lives in Indiana now. He is supposed to be coming thru Spokane this spring. He is stopping to see a couple of buddys of mine. He produced a full line of parts for oval track use. His early stuff said Jones and his later stuff said Joeng. I have never seen a Jones Model A QC only the larger 3/4 T based ones. I'll see what I can find out.
Most of the Jones quickies were the big full sized units. (I have never seen anything else) They are easy to spot because of the flat area on the bottom of the gear cover, which is a little diffrent than the Winters/Frankland quickies. Do you have a pic of this thing?? -Abone.
The Jones Midget QC can use some Halibrand parts. The one in my Mongrel-VW has a Jones center section with Halibrand side plates & rear cover. The car got its "Mongrel" tag for a reason. The lower shaft and internal shifter components are not interchangable though. I was able to find someone in Georgia who supplies parts but fortunately did not need any. The ring & pinion in mine are Model A. Older midget stuff is heavily Model A & early 30's Chevy from what I can tell. As long it was readily available & cheap they used it. As the old stuff got rare they made billet versions. Chuck Schultz Winfield, Illinois
so what do i need to make it work within my a chassis i imagine i would need a 32 and up driveshaft and shortened torque tube a bells and axles? v8 center section? tk
Wow..that's a nice one. I have never seen that style of Jones rear. It looks to be what most call the V-8 style, as it is 6 spline and has the smaller pattern on the rear cover. My knowledge is kind of limited on the small ones, but it will definately be a good canidate for a hot rod. They won't handle a giant bunch of power like the big ones, but the chances of you breaking it with a fast street car are pretty slim. Hit the search for how to convert it, there is lots of info here. Also, call Winters Performance for a catalog. Every part you will need is in there along with a kick ass section on assembly. Setting one up is actually pretty easy. I did mine in a Saturday afternoon with no top secret tools. Nice score and good luck, -Abone.
so i have this thing all apart broken studs removed and no problems to report now how do i clean up the case can i sandblast it....its magnesium thanks tk
Abrasive blasting is ok for certain areas. For that unit I would use glass bead instead of aluminun oxide. It is less abrasive. Do not blast any machined surface. Clean those areas with Scotchbrite or steel wool BY HAND. Aluminum and magnesium are very soft and can be eaten away very quickly by abrasive blasting.
i was not going to blast any of the inside stuff, i just wanted to get the color of the case the same before i assemble the axle i was thinking about polishing it but then i would have to keep that up and having it under the car would be a real pain in the ass to polish again is ther a clear coat or something to put on it so it doesnt oxidize too fast tk
its magnesium.... if it were aluminum it would have totally smashed it lol i am guessing the weight savings is very minimal at best tk
ok so i tried to put model a guts(diff) into this thing and it didnt work...didnt clear the center pinion support. what is the correct diff that i need to use thanks tk
35 and up rear end parts will fit. You will prob still need to machine the carrier to clear the lower shaft. Good score. Water blasting it will clean it best.
I've never pulled apart any quickie besides a winters midget rear (which is a modified model A based unit) but that pinion carrier looks BEEFY. Nice score and great looking rear! like others have said, swap in 35-48 guts and tubes. only problem is the spring perches on a 35-48 rear stick out the back of the rear. you can either put perches on top of the axle tubes like a stock model a unit or move your x member back. what ratio came in the rear? Anyone know if the ring gear he's got looks like it will bolt onto an early ford carrier?? wouldn't have to mess with the pinion that way. magnesium is actually significantly lighter than aluminum around 30% for the same size part. problems with magnesium are threads and welding. I ran a 100% magnesium engine case when I ran a VW based midget. every time I tore the motor down there was always one more helicoil that would need to be installed or replaced
it actually fits model a axle housings. i thought 35 and up stuff was a bigger diameter. can i just use the newer style carrier with the model a axles so i have the correct length on the axle housings and axles and still bolt it into my model a the ring gear has a taper on the front of it and i dont think it will work correctly. its a 3.78 so its not lliek its going to be hard to find another gear set thanks tk
After you clean it coat it with GIBBS BRAND and it will turn it the dark Mag. color and protect it. Check Roadster.com
I think the path of least resistance is to find a nice 35-41 axle, swap everything over and weld new perches on top of the housings for your A spring. The width difference isn't that great until you get into the 42-48 rears. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think you can mix the A axles with the V8 carrier.
Some of the Jones carriers were narrower side to side than stock Ford carriers. They used a short spool to save weight, and a stock differential will not fit without spacing the bells out. I ran into this on one I had.
Pm me, I can get you a contact to Jones. He is still screwing with old race cars. Maybe he can tell you what you have and need.
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