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4Bangers vs. Model T Speedsters

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by The37Kid, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. Cris- any more pics of the Harrah Morton&Brett your friend has?

    Man, I love seeing the work his team would do on a car- got to walk around an early Packard (and one of the Packard Cable Millers)at Harrah's in Atlantic City years ago- it was immaculate, even to the slots of the screws lining up.
     
  2. T-Time
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    A few misc. thoughts.

    Some of the differences/evolution of the M&B tails are apparant in '37's post #27. I've never been able to figure out if they were offering different bodies at the same time, or if they evolved over time.

    I LIKE DISCS! All my life I liked wires better, but I've changed my mind over the past couple of years.

    I am pretty sure that Dodges had the 5 on 4 1/2" bolt pattern.
     
  3. Thanks for the info T-Time...

    Man, SOMEDAY I'll figure this measuring thing out, but you gotta understand- I'm just a music teacher... I count to 4 and start all over again :D
     
  4. T-Time
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    Thanks for pointing that out....it brings up a point. The first racecar T's were stripped down stockers (see my avatar) with no body...just seats. Then street/road driven speedsters came about by immulating the racecars (and yes, some served double duty on the street and the track). Racecars evolved to having custom bodies, and soon the street driven T's began to use bodies (either homemade or ordered from a company like M&B). As they changed, the speedster look began to look less spindly.
     
  5. The37Kid
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    Cris, The Harrah Collection did have the best (IMO) Mercury speedster as well as this Morton & Brett that never got much coverage in books & magazines. The Ames speedster they also had was a fine restoration. I just thought about that old Neal East magazine Old Cars Illustrated, as I typed this, there may be coverage of the M&B in an old issue, were is that stack of magazines? Sure would like to see the M&B or current photos of it. Best wishes, Bob
     
  6. Brian C
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    Hell we STILL drive'em around on crates, only nowadays we use plastic milk crates and the super special lawn mower fueld tank :D

    This was just 2 weeks ago.
     

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  7. nexxussian
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  8. 37-

    Hope all is well- found this tonight and thought you might enjoy it... even if it ISN'T a Morton&Brett body:D



    Oh, someone posted a rear portion of an old sprint body (was compared to a 55 gallon oil drum- anyone remember where it was posted???
     

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  9. Bill O'Brien
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    Anyone have any more info on the black Model A race car??? that car is awsome!!

    Is that 100% custom or can you buy a kit to get close to that?? Would love to make my 28 Tudor a race car!!!

    I know there is a bobtail speedster kit available but it just doesn't look right....

    Thanks fellas!
     
  10. Bill,

    Welcome to the HAMB!!!

    I've seen a late 40's Chevrolet hood, a mid 40's Hudson hood, and others used to make really nice boattails. Have a buddy who's been holding onto a LaSalle hood for just such a purpose!

    Take care, Bill
     
  11. kenny g
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    Back in the 50,s any old car was called a banger.
    In England. e g ow much you want for that old banger mate?
     
  12. Bill O'Brien
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    Any info available on this car?? What size wheels do you guys think these are?? What radiators are used in the cars with the lower hoodlines??

    Thanks!
     

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  13. davidfe
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    fur biscuit

    Regarding the FIAT GRILL, I looked and cannot find a picture of one.

    Per chance, do you have one or a link to one.

    Just found this thread and it is extremely interesting.

    Regards.
     
  14. gnichols
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    When I think of 4-bangers I think of any I-4, old to 2010, vintage Model T to Iron Dukes, to Pintos to Alfas, whatever. But when I'm on the HAMB or on some other site for old cars, I think of mostly vintage engines, primarily flatheads. But that also includes the fancy stuff, like Offys, OHV conversion kits, old speed equipment, etc. I don't think about the kind of car, just the engine type. Is a V or flat 4 a "4-banger," too?

    When I think of speedsters, I think of vintage cars with cut-down or custom bodies that are "stock" based. In the early days, these would have been a more univesal type of car, still street legal, but mostly used for speed trials (salt, dirt or sand), for road racing, or on ovals. Once these kinds of cars start to get lower and narrower, leaner and meaner, and have purpose built frames and special engies, I stop thinking of them as speedsters and start categorizing them midgets, or sprints, or grand prix cars, or lakes modifieds, or track roadsters / modifieds, etc.. Of course, I could be wrong. Gary

    Perhaps some of our old car experts could work on a family tree of open wheeled hot rods? Gary
     
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  15. carlisle1926
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    I realize this is an old post, but did you ever buy these wheels? I'm in need of some old Dodge disk wheels like these.
    Jason
     
  16. I did... then sold them to noboD here on the HAMB. Shoot him a PM- you never know :)
     
  17. Old thread - but interesting
     
  18. The37Kid
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    Always nice to see an old thread come back to the top. The Morton & Brett body that I started this thread with was sold to my friend the late Peter Wing in Millbrook, N. Y. We used to trade/sell cars back & forth that never got finished. Peter sold the M&B along with a RAJO head and rolling ch***is to Don Lang of Lang's Old Car Parts ( BEST T Parts supplier in the World, and HAMB member) up in M***. I found the original windsheild from the body a few years ago and Don has that now. Should be a great car when it is finished. Bob
     
  19. modelAsteve
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    Missed this one the first time around. The main thing about these cars is that they are FUN!
     
  20. Andrew Mccann
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    Quick 2 year update on this thread then.
    I stumbled over this thread looking for single seater radiator inspiration for my T, A, chev combo, Whatever it is.
    37, it's your old body, that Mr Lang now seems to have, that I screenshot-ed ****** years ago thinking man I would love to build something like that one day.
    Well I'm building a poor mans version of it so here's to you. Thanks.
    Nice.
    And yes a banger in England is any old jallopy, smoker, beater costing no more than a round of drinks.
    I've owned more than 4 bangers.
     
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  21. The37Kid
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    The very first T single seater I ever had is some were in the UK, it would be fun to see how it looks today. I'll look around for a few photos. Bob
     
  22. Andrew Mccann
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    That would be good to see.
     
  23. Commodoreswab
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    Congrats fur
     

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