A moral delima, 32 three window and it's original frame

Your post that starts with "Good call Gus" lays it out like it should be. If not, he sold you the frame, you paid his price, it's yours. Good 32 original frames are hard to find.

 

A few years back, Tom Monaghan (Dominos Pizza) wanted a Bugatti Royale.....bid one to I think..6.5 million and missed it....bought it a year later for 7.2 million....OOPS!!!.... .

So Rudy...it's only money...HIS!!!...and his mistake.

 

tell him you will sell it back to him if he pays YOU to build the car. make sure you get good money for it though. then call Hotroddrummer up and get a new Dearborn duece ch***is. you'll prolly still have money left over for some of the other parts you need to complete the ch***is.

 

Trade only, for an actual frame satisfactory to you--money won't necessarily make you whole with '32 stuff. Sometimes what you want just isn't out there or takes 5 years to find--while market prices double. Selling '32 stuff is usually a big mistake, and recovering surely won't be any cheaper. You can go to Hershey with a wheelbarrow full of money and not be able to count on finding the deuce stuff you need any more.
Hey, you have half the car, he has half the car--how about a winner-take-all coin toss?

 

Rudy, I'm probably just repeating what some others have already said, but, does the fact that it's an original "barn find" frame and suspension really mean that much to you, other than something to talk about?
I know the car you're talking about and I know what he paid for it. This guy has money up the wahzoo. I would ask for my money back PLUS a new frame. Or trade for a complete ch***is as you mentioned. You have nothing to lose.

 

Roadstar, Did you buy it purely as speculation? Why sell it back to him if you have plans for it? It's yours now no matter what moral "I gotta keep em together" B.S. he is spreading. He has nothing to lose by appealing to your moral side. Keep It!

 

You know - I read your post, and not anyone else's so I wouldn't get dilluted in my opinion. The truth is, you don't know this guy, and honestly you don't owe him anything. You bought the ch***is for what was deemed a fair price by all parties, so it's not like you got it in some sort of shady deal.

If it were a shady deal, I would say sell it back but really, there's no reason you should get rid of what's yours. If he can buy yours, he can buy another one. Besides.. your car will be better.

Keep it - it's yours. You have it in your garage, in your hands, and even if you got a lot of money for it, can you replace it with something better? Probably not. Then there's the h***le of getting it to the house, getting rid of this one.. all these things take time.

Keep it dude.. keep it..

 

You both want something here. You want a cool hot rod ch***is; he wants his original frame back.

Make a deal. Be straight with him and tell him the truth- You had every intention of buildnig the ch***is into a cool foundation for a hot rod.

Ask him to replace the one he wants with the one you want.

Simple.

The Karma is intact, and you both get what you want.

The cash factor does not figure in at all.

Get what you want for your car- make sure he gets what he wants for his. Everyone is happy.

You didn't purchase the frame with the intent of turning it for a profit...you bought it cuz you wanted a hot rod. Don't lose sight of the original vision. Get what you want, and get it the way you want it. It's got the potential to make both of you very happy.

Scotch~!

 

Trade him straight up for the complete ch***is he had professionally built for this car. Your way ahead of the game, money and time-wise, and he'll be thrilled cuz not only did he get his original frame back (what he wants) but "got rid" of the ch***is he had built.

 

Just always remember what comes around goes around. Just cause the guy does not realize what he has got does not mean you got to screw him. You sometimes got to chock up your losses and give in. Hey if you can make alittle on the deal then what did you lose after all. You got some extra dough, he got his period correct frame back, and both parties should be happy. It ****s but it is what is rite to do. Hope this helps

 

Thats been my problem for a long time !!!!
I never really appreciate anything !!
Untill I see Rudy with it !!
Good Luck

DBF
Ron

 

You have the frame and he has the car. You are asking if you should feel bad that he wants the frame back for his car. I say no. Does he feel bad that he has the body you want to put on your frame? No.

But I'm also going to agree that you can put your Chevy 350 motor in an already boxed repro deuce frame. Have him buy you the chasis and suspension that you want, (which sounds like it can all be bought over the counter from So-Cal) and then give him back your original 32 frame.

 

Why don't you ask him if he'll sell you his 3window for the same price he bought it for? His answer should be the same answer you give him.

So I have a question. If you have the original frame with the original vin# stamp doesn't that ***le belong to you? Go register it before he does…

There is no bad karma, you didn’t steel the frame from an old lady… If anybody he probably ripped whom ever he bought the 32 from…

 

He just realized you'll be able to ***le your car as a 32 and he'll have to ***le his as a street rod or reproduction.
That's worth money. Around here an unknown model A frame is worth about 100 bucks. A frame with an origional ***le is worth 10 times that. It's much worse on a Deuce.

 

>>you'll be able to ***le your car as a 32 and he'll have to ***le his as a street rod or reproduction>>

How funny is that!

 

Hey, wait a minute...I just changed my mind....go for the Karma....and if you want BIG karma, just GIVE him the frame...deliver it, and offer to build the car for free. Maybe he will get you a "Psychic reading" as a tip.OOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM....OOOOOOMMMMMMMM.....OOOOOMMMMMM

 

You know every one makes mistakes, this one was his. You are in the drivers seat on this issue, a good case of supply and demand. I think you should make reasonable profit and get a replacement frame and additional parts for your build. If you have to have an original frame tell him. Then it becomes his issue to find you another or go ahead with what he wanted to do in the first place. It is up to you. If he is a good friend I guess that influences your decision. But, chances are like him if you give this up you will not find another.

 

I wouldn't say its moral - you paid for it, it is yours.

It is really an issue about what you want.

You now have the opportunity to keep the original which has plusses

or get a nice repop, which also has advantages.

I think you are scared you will regret relenquishing an original you got a good deal on, so you want to keep the original stuff.

But un the other hand, you could trade for a done frame and be on the road sooner - with possibly better equipment.

I can't decide either. I like hauling *** on good equipment, but I love the look of the original machinary. Ying and Yang dude.

I would flip a coin and stand by what ever decision you make. Just don't let that guy pull yer chain any.

 

You know, in my eyes, it's not about making the guy pay for being hindsighted or for being a gold chainer, it s about satisfying a need or want. When you purchased the frame, you bought it to fill a need/want that you had. You were able to afford it and you were satisfied. Now the previous owner has a need......a need to have the original frame. You don't have a need for THE original frame, just a 32 frame. If it were me, I would ask him to find you a sutible original replacement for the frame. One that is satisfactory to you and your hot rod. You obviuosly don't care about what particular VIN the frame has, just that it has one. In the end it will cost the guy some money, but he will have what he wants and you will still have what you were after, an original 32 frame.

I don't see that you owe the guy any favors, but by the same, if he's willing to trade you for an item of equal value to you 100%, then it's no skin off your nose AND you have helped him procure his need. That's good karma

Chris

 

This guy that whats the frame back would have discarded it for junk one year ago. As stated in previous posts, next year he will be onto the next trend. I am usually on the short end of the deals but if you sell the frame back, he had better make it worth your while. The warm fuzzy feeling you will get by helping him out will not last as long as the enjoyment from building the rod you want. It would be VERY difficult for me to sell an original frame like you have. Neal

 

J'st Wandering, Even if the frame that you traded for was of equal qaulity with the only difference being the VIN#?
That doesn't make sense to me.

It doesn't appear that anyone on here really knows this guy, so whos to say his intentions. Maybe he just made a bad judgement call and has now seen the error of his thinking. I would think that you all would be glad to see a traditional car being built. If he were a fellow HAMBer, I'll bet a lot of you would sing a different tune. Wishing ill will toward a person just because they might think a bit different is ridiculous (as long as the aren't harming anyone that is).

 

Seller's remorse ****s.

 

My point was about the ***le. Whoever winds up with that original frame has a 32 Ford. Even if it's got a gl*** body on it when it hits the road. The other guy has a street rod or reproduction but it isn't a 32 Ford without a 32 Ford frame. My guess is someone pointed that out to the guy. It wouldn't be the first time this kind of stuff happened. Usually the owner of the built car doesn't know until he gets his car ***led as a repro or street rod.
A 32 frame with a Wescott's body may be ***led as a 32 Ford, but a 32 Ford body with a TCI frame will get ***led as a reproduction or street rod in most places.

 

If I had the good frame, step one would be to ***le it--no matter what you do, that will strengthen your position. Otherwise, he can stamp that SN onto a repro frame and make trouble for you when you build--or sellit back.

 

OK, maybe I should clarify. I'm not talking about trading the guy for a repro frame, I don't feel that that would be a fair trade. I'm talking about having him do the legwork and lay out the cash to find an original 32 frame that is the same quality as the one that you have. That way he gets his original VIN# back and you have another original frame but with a different VIN#.

 

Agree with Bruce... DMV ASAP

 

Now come on people. The guy with the body has the '32 ***le. Are you telling me that if he puts an S-10 frame under it (this is just a rediculous frame for arguments sake) he has to throw away his ***le because it's now an S-10? the little numbers on a piece of rusty metal does not mean that you have a 32 Ford. he is still the owner of his 32 body and the number that is on the piece of paper with his name on it.

He has a ***le saying he owns a 32 ford. If he buys a repro frame and puts his 32 ford body on it, the ***le still has his name on it, registered to him, with that number that is on the original frame.

As far as I see it, the number on that original frame is **** to you roadstar because the other guy owns the body and the VIN number that that is on your frame just by holding that piece of paper in his name.

 

what makes it a "moral" dilema?

sounds like a financial transaction for goods recieved

emotion, his or yours should not play a part here.

offer to sell it back to him for exactly what you paid

but with the stipulation that if you change your mind in six months

you get it back for the same amount.

Paul

 

Maybe he has no intention of using it under his 3W.
Maybe somebody heard what you payed, and said " I would have payed 4times that amount."
So maybe he is just trying to get it back so he can sell it for more...

 

Unless this guy is your best friend, brother, dad, brother in law or boyfriend, keep the frame. His fault for selling it. You did nothing wrong and will not do so by keeping it.