Just a silly question for anyone who has a big block Mopar in a 47-54 Plymouth. Do you guys use a remote oil filter or what? The freakin' oil filter hits the front cross member and prevents the engine from dropping up front. It's either cut out most of the trans tunnel or do something different for the oil filter. Any suggestions and/or pics of an install? I've been fighting this thing for a week, so any help would be appreciated. Sorry for the ****py pics, the camcorder is the only camera I have right now.
Hi rjgideon....have you tried to use a factory mopar filter?...go to a mopar dealership parts dept..and ask for a 5281090 mopar filter..they are a lot shorter than those fram filters you have on there now....hope this is of some help to you john
Short filters are fine, but you can also use a generic filter relocation kit from Jeg's or some other speed shop and mount the filter wherever you'd like. Considering how large those motors are I'm surprised you don't have to cut the trans tunnel anyway. Me and some friends put a 318/Torqueflight into a 52 Plymouth and it was a royal *****, the big block can only be worse
I put a 383 in my 47 dodge coupe so I feel your pain. Generic relo kit will work. Mopar performance also makes a 90 degree filter mount but that would stillbe tight for you. I'm also building my own R&P setup and will post pics if I ever make any more progress. You also may want to pick up some block huggers too. I got some stainless ones from egay for $130 shipped. no matter what it's a tight fit. Joe I still think you rock for putting a mopar in a ford.
I made a pocket in the front cross member on my 56 Dodge and got everything to clear on the motor part...i still had to cut up the trans tunnel to get the 4 speed to fit.
Yeah, most of the tunnel is cut for the trans. What I meant was the rest of the tunnel after the trans. The engine sits so high right now that the U-joint is hitting the top of the tunnel. Unless I do something different with the oil filter, I'm going to have to clearance the rest of the tunnel for the drive shaft. Thanks for the replies. '57 Joe - that avatar cracks me up every time.
What Jay said. A friend at work put a 383 in a '55 Belvedere wagon, he just notched and braced the crossmember for the oil filter. Crossmember has plenty of meat....
Huh, my dad has a 40 Dodge with the stock frontend with a smallblock 360 and it sits really low in the engine compartment. Of course the B/RB is alot longer and way wider. The stock firewall is cut out for the dizzy and the electric fan is so close to the waterpump pully that you can't change the fan belt without pulling the radiator.
I have a built 440 in a '49 dodge wayfarer. I didn't have the same trouble, since the car has a fatman mustang II stub in it, but we did need to use a filter for a ford truck, as it has a slightly smaller outside diameter than the mopar filter does.
I had an RB in my 49 Dodge, using the short oil filter, and had to go to a rack for steering. Ply-Do makes a kit to use a Cavalier rack on the stock suspension and it was only about $125 w/o the rack. I used a Mustang power rack and it wasn't the best choice. The rest of the front end was pretty stock except for cuts in the inner fenders for the headers.
A shorter filter may fit, but you will still need room to spin it off at oil changes... There was a HAMB'r a while back that had an oil pump cover for sale that was for a factory remote oil filter. Instead of threading a adapter on the typical oil pump cover (which might be your only option), this oil pump cover has two bosses threaded 3/8" NPT for oil lines(your best option, if that cover is still available). Last option is to hack into the X-member, which looks pretty serious from the pic posted.
Wow, a 3-star rating. I'm delighted. I think I need to hack up the tunnel some more to get the engine back more and then go the remote filter route. I was thinking that one of those O'Brien Truckers' remote oil filters might do the job and look pretty snazzy under the hood. Besides, it would be the first use of my Alliance discount...
Got my 440 painted, figured I'd drag up my old thread instead of creating a new one. Forged crank, KB-236 pistons, six-pack rods, 452 heads, Summit 6401 cam, Performer RPM intake.
Call Mancini Racing at 800-843-2821; they may have a solution for you in a Milodon oil pump cover. I think Muscle Motors was coming out with some oil pumps and/or pump covers when I was building my 383; don't think they were quite ready when I was... you should probably call them too: 517-482-4900 If you go Milodon, you should be able to use a cover that has provisions for lines to a remote filter; if there are also provisions for an external pickup you can just plug those and continue to use your stock internal setup. Between those to groups, you should be able to get a solution. I went with a different pump cover to get provisions for external pickup; it has a stock-type filter mount. If I had it to do over, I probably wouldn't use this setup, since I ended up having to notch the front crossmember just a little bit for the adapter that the hoses go on. See attached pic... Hope this helps. -Bill
I had a similar prob .I have a 48 Ford 1/2 ton,"My avatar" with a Chrysler front clip. When I dropped a 440 in,to get it low and back in the ch***is I had to cut the firewall. Looking at your problem,a remote filter still may not clear. You may want to remove the offending crossmember and build one that fits when the engine is where you want it. Not real hard if you have fabricating skills. Jerry
Damn man, that MoPar looks awesome. You're going to be thrilled with the performance from that thing. Great Job and keep us posted with pics of the install
I use Wix & avoid Fram, but know the Fran #s well so....PH8A is standard Ford filter, the Mopar filter is PH43 & a bit shorter, the PH16 is shorter still & used with the Crown Vic 351 Police Interceptors with an oil cooler. Wix 51335 is 2" long, should fit. Reportedly the Wix 51311 is a little longer than the 51335, but haven't verified.
The oil pump is always the big problem with that particular engine. You'll probably end up using a remote filter. Spin yhe filter off first and make sure you have room for a conventional remote filter setup. If not then Milodon make a setup that replaces the cover plate on the pump and the hoses plug directly into it. It does not use a spin on filter adapter. I have one here that we machined for the same type of setup its something that any competent machinist can do. But the Milodon setup is probably easier. Or you could just slide the engine back a little. That's is something that I would probably do but it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Her are some pictures of our '47 windsor with a 440/727. The steering box is an Izuzu. The rear sump oil pan is a dodge truck. good luck, Dusty
I just got my 440 in my 49 Wayfarer, but it has a Dakota clip. The engine is offset 1" and set back from the stock V6 mounts. New firewall for clearance. My oil filter is real close to the R&P, but with a smaller filter it will fit. Your 440 looks great!
i put a 383 in a 41 plymouth with a 90 model dakota clip. i used the stock 68 C-body pan and the oil filter was quite close to the R&P but cleared just fine. front of pan was 3/4" above the rack,and offset 1" to the p***enger side as the V-6 in the dakota was. used stock dakota motor mount plates and fabbed new mounts to bolt into stock B-RB motor mounts. you would be better off notching the crossmember and boxing in the area. there is alot of material there.stock B-C-E body rear dump log exhaust manifolds clear fine, and i even used regular 68-72 B-body headers and they cleared everything without tweeking or hamber dents.
I didn't use the stock mounting plates for mine, I made new flat plates and new mounts, and I believe mine is pretty close to 4-5" back from stock. I don't plan on using a fan, going with an electric due to space.
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