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Dammit! Starting Over, and have a Vibration Dampner/Flywheel Question

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 38FLATTIE, Jul 11, 2010.

  1. 38FLATTIE
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    Cadillac flatheads did not use a front mount vibration dampner. The flywheel was of a design that was the dampner. When I designed all the custon pully's and mounts on the engine, I did not plan on a front mount vibration dampner.

    Now I've decided to take the engine to Bonneville next year, and the requirement is an aluminum or billett flywheel. This means I've got to start over on the mounts and pullys, to accommodate the dampner.

    Can anyone tell me of a small, but very good dampner? The smaller(thinner) the better, as it will mean less redesign work.

    Also, who can make me a special order flywheel?

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. tomslik
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    if mit's not a dampner and just a hub, i don't think it'll be an issue but i could be wrong.
    i often am, just ask my wife...
    f'wheel is another story...
     
  3. 38FLATTIE
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    The problem is, the dampner was the flywheel. Now I have to go to a billet flywheel, so I'll have to mount a dampner on the front.
     
  4. tomslik
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    ok, i get it now....
    how about one for an FE ford (it'll need to be sfi'd).
    i THINK they sandwiched between the frt hub and the pulley

    just throwing out ideas...
     
  5. 38FLATTIE
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    Just looked at vibration dampners, and realize I really need help on this one! 28oz, or 50oz? For zero balance crank, or other?:confused:
     
  6. tomslik
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    dunno if it's possible but how about having it balanced the same as the your current flywheel?
    another thought would be have your new flywheel balanced to your old flywheel and use a zero balance dampner.
    the latter might be the best way to go and i think that's how i'd go if it were me...
     
  7. RichFox
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    I'll bet you need a Zero balance dampner. Is your OEM flywheel out of balance? Or could the balance be built into your new flywheel and you use a zero balance dampner? I had a costom dampner made by Wilcap some time ago that I was very happy with. You will probubly need to supply your own ring gear. pmcguire@wilcap.com. There is no requirement for SFI cert on your harmonic balancer for SCTA/BNI competion.
     
  8. RichFox
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    Another thing you may want to consider. I don't know if it's true or not but I have heard that most blower motors do not run dampeners because the blower and drive belts provide the same dampening effect. You might want to check that out with some of the blower guys you contacted about fuel nozzle placement.
     
  9. onlychevrolets
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    Rich is correct, my blower motor didn't have a dampener on it....
     
  10. 38FLATTIE
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    No, the OEM one is fine, and Bruce was going to balance the whole thing. I've just never seen an engine without some sort of balancer.

    I'll check. That would be too good to be true. To be safe, if this checks out, I could run a custom flywheel at Bonneville, and put the stock one back on afterwords.
     
  11. 38FLATTIE
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    Cool! What kind of motor?
     
  12. RichFox
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    I said custom dampner but ment flywheel. Not only spelling is hard for me. Most of what you see being called a balancer is not. It's a dampner. Some of the later small (Like Ford) engines save space in the crankcase by adding external weight to balance the ***embly. I don't remember any of the older motors that were extrenally ballanced. But about now I should be hearing about plenty of them.
     
  13. RichFox
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    Oh and another thing. No EFI on Vintage motors in Vintage bodys. But not to worry. If you really go through with this I'll let you use the Holley I had on my blown GMC
     
  14. 38FLATTIE
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    HaHa! I wasn't even going to try and get the EFI going for this. I think bolting on a Holley is the way to go.

    Now, I need to find out the perfect cam for this venture, and get it and the flywheel made!
     
  15. 38FLATTIE
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Wilcap is going to make the flywheel, and they tell me it will be 19lbs lighter than stock[/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ATI Performance Products, Inc., just sent me drawings, of a dampener they are custom making for the engine. It is a tunable one, and SFI certified. The best part is, it is being made to replace my crank hub, so all me existing parts will fit![/FONT]
     

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