Hi all..I have had email contact with the pe***ioner Mr Andrew McClelland in an attempt to find out some more details. His response is a little disturbing... "The main reason for this pe***ion is that the RTA has had meeting with Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more information as I get it.." can any ASRF official or someone in the know offer some more information? or shall we go back into the dark like mushrooms to be fed some more b.s. ! Thanks Deuce </O
dont quote me on this but im pritty sure that full street registered hot rods are exempt from the vsi 50 law or at least going to be exempt having said that if this thing goes through then fresh built rods wont be exempt from anything
well put hey charger,unfortunetly the public service moths that hover under neon lights lump us all in one category,hoon. yes i'm pissed off,i don't live in NSW but this ultimately effects us all. we need though to take the p***ion out of this,politicians/public servants rely on statistics,graphs and all the ********. what effect will this have on employment, lost revenue, business growth etc.this will effect not just hotrod specific business but as mentioned previously,stores like pedders,dba brakes, panel/paint shops just to name a few. these business's need to be approached and made aware of this change,maybe an approach to the NSW chamber of commerce, these are only suggestions but maybe we need to think like the big end of town(mining tax). cheers thommo.
It ****s big time guys. Europe is next, not promising over here. It seems that everywhere they want a world full of hybrid pieces of **** and no "polluting" veichles at all. If we dont fight for our freedom eventually this whole hobby/lifestyle of ours could be deemed illegal.And i dont think im overpessimistic.
NSW has lost the plot, wonder how Ill go re-registering a modified car previously registered, at least all the numbers will match there will be a change of government at the next elections but that may not help either
FU*CK this ****, this is ridiculous, Politics shouldn't target us, we were the first recyclers, after all. If this goes through we'll be the 1% ers. No wonder the Bikies choose not to recognise the laws of the land. NSW Politicians = Numurous stupid ****er blood****ers. Its UnAustralian for Gods sake,Whatever happened to ****ing freedom???? I signed last night........
My family goes back to the first fleet and grandfathers fort in 1st and 2nd war but want country is this .This is not my country any more Mark jones Fat57 customs
HI all we will have an election soon the thought of being kicked out of gov will scare the idiot's in to rethinking this
True, but only if they know about it. Write to your local Lib/ Lab MP's folks. Tell em how you feel, nuttin fancy is better than nothin'. Sign it, attach mates sig's & let e'm know you got company ( i.e vote clout). I'm spooked by gummit's sneaky ways. Keep your hands off our car life fatcats!
i think a drive to the act is in order storm parliamant house and show the government were not all a bunch of young p plate hoons that are doing half ****d car builds show them we take our hobby seriously and were not going to just bend over and let them have there way with us without a fight
Elvis from Rod Bods (oz) posted this up on the ozrodders site in response to the "chatter" that was going on. Hopefully he wont mind me copying into this thread as it contains his dealings with the RTA on this matter. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Rodders, I must admit I am not partial to these forums as things can be taken out of context and blown out of proportion. I would like to clarify that no information has been withheld from the ASRF Committee meetings with the RTA as mentioned in this and other forums. It has been well do***ented that the RTA has been working for several years on a revised version of the Modified Production Code of Practice that we register our vehicles to today. The do***ent that the RTA is working with to replace the Code of Practice is called VSB14 (The National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) a subclause of this do***ent is the National Guidelines for Street Rods. This do***ent is a Technical Do***ent that most States with the exception of NSW and QLD have adopted as Policy. The ASRF has been dealing with the RTA to implement a registration system for Street Rods utilising the Technical Guidelines from this do***ent. On Friday 2nd July 2010 two members of the ASRF Committee (myself and Darren Abela) met with the RTA, in this three hour meeting several issues were discussed, one of which was the RTA proposed that Street Rods should look at adopting the line of an ICV with exemptions, another was discussed regarding a restricted registration based on the above do***ent with restricted days of road use. The RTA asked that we the ASRF Committee submit a revised proposal considering these options. I am at present finalising our revised submission based on an unrestricted registration scheme. The Committee will review this revised proposal before submission to the RTA. As mentioned above the RTA is working on the replacement Guidelines and in their wisdom are not looking to implement it as a whole do***ent, we were given a portion of the draft do***ent be it half a page defining what they might cl***ify as an ICV. If implemented this portion this would make most heavily modified vehicles ICV’s, but this is draft do***ent only. I would like to make a point at this time that the RTA a couple of years ago put VSB14 (National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) out for public comment and to the Working Parties who ***isted in the development of the Modified Production Code of Practice we register vehicles to today, (this do***ent was original implemented in 1994) however the ASRF who was part of the original Working Party was not consulted (they were forgotten). This do***ent has been closed for Public Comment for some time now, technically the ASRF or any other party other than the working party have no rebuff on this do***ent, however the RTA have advised they would like our input on any issues in this do***ent. We are still waiting on a complete draft of the VSB14. Another point raised at the meeting was the implementation of the revised VSI50 (Raising and lowering of vehicles) this has been well do***ented through the ASRF as the ASRF Committee brokered a deal with the RTA that Street Rods have exemption to this do***ent. The RTA advised that they are looking to implement VSI50 in August 2010 and there will be a grace period. The RTA also advised that the new Engineering System is hoped to be implemented in February 2011. On another matter and I hope I am not speaking out of term, but to try and minimise phone calls and people’s concerns that nothing is being done for post 49 vehicles, I am meeting with some prominent car enthusiasts this Friday, with the intent of the group to establish an Umbrella ***ociation for all vehicle registrations (i.e. Street Machines, Vintage & Veteran, 4 Wheel Drives, Modified Vehicles, etc). This ***ociation will not be looking at taking over the registration or administration from these car groups, it is purely for numbers, if a group has issues or needs ***istance in registration with numbers backing an ***ociation we can achieve a lot more than each individual group on its own. I agree with some people’s opinions in this forum that things look dark however on a brighter note we have people ready to take the fight, we need to not get confused about these issues, not think some organisation is going to take over the world, we just need to trust and ***ist those taking up the fight after all we are all motor enthusiast looking to keep what we believe is rightfully ours. Years ago I figured out that it was ok to complain once, but if you want results you need to take action, you need to do it in the right process and in due course to get the right results. We will keep you informed on further information pertaining to the Umbrella ***ociation. I would like to remind everybody that the Directors and Committees of the ASRF are Volunteers, no one is being paid for their efforts. Something to think about when talking to Politicians you talk numbers, the more numbers the bigger the ears open up, Politicians talk electorate (numbers) an electorate is equal to 47,500 voters so if we have 600,000 members under one Umbrella ***ociation we should be able to pull a chair up to the table when needed. At this point I would like to thank all those who are supporting us in this fight to keep our Hobbies, P***ions and Heritage alive. I hope this has cleared up some confusion. Yours in rodding Elvis
This is part of the problem though. Ever wonder why this discussion comes up every 3-4years..? With a change in govt (both state and fed.), comes a change in departments i.e. people who are familiar with the industry that work with the politicians and RTA get the flick. Everytime a new govt gets put in, the ASRF have to try and re-educate the politicians and their departments. I think they (ASRF) need to act now with numbers and come up with an agreed policy inline with the rest of the country and the relevant RTA's etc, so we can all finally put this to bed and get on with our hobby, jobs and businesses confidently knowing that our future will continue and prosper further once there is some calm. I am sure that there are many people out there 'scared' to take on a build without knowing confidently whether they will get registration. I know i was.
A properly organised Rod run with legal cars that present well, not cars that have been modified after rego. [No front brakes/ fenders etc.] to Canberra. With notice to a couple of current affair programmes, will get the attention of a lot of people. Have someone who can speak well, to talk to the media. I don't claim to know much about the situation, but It seems Elvis and his ***ociates are doing a good job liasing with the authorities. But I think exposure on a positive note would be a good thing. Just my 2c worth.
These changes are proposed to be enforced by either December 2010 or Febuary 2011. VSI 50 - the "no lowered cars" proposal is being re introduced to parliament in August 2010. THAT'S NEXT MONTH PEOPLE. This leaves no time to wait for a change of government in May next year. ACT NOW!!!!! http://www.ozrodders.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=37930
Both extremely good points!! As I said in my first post- We must show the public (through A Current Affair or similar program) that we aren't a bunch of redneck hoons who drive around doing burnouts everywhere!! aussie oldie- Your idea of cruising up to Canberra with Hot Rods in which are all in correct running order, in which most are, and tell them that were not taking this lightly! HC.
I'm in and signed up. Ive been building my car for TEN YEARS,I would have to sell the car and give up my 20 year p***ion to have my own Hot Rod if they told me I had to comply to 2010 Regs. I am building a 1932 Ford Roaster,with a 1957 OLDS Rocket engine int that has all cost me 10's of thousands of dollars to build the car. If I wanted a late model Falcon,yeah I could of bought one by now. I dont.I want to build and drive my Hot Rod.Better finish it soon then. I'm going in the shed, better get this old girl on the road.I know they cant knock you if you have previous registration. My brother in law has kept his Chopped channelled and sectioned Mainline ute registered for the past 26 years just for this reason.So he can drive it when he wants. Thats what I am doing going to do register my car on full rego so I can drive it every day.Isn't that what a car is for to DRIVE.
You know in all honesty guys I think that the states should have stuck together when they had the chance for a national regó scheme. In Qld we have LH9 = restricted rego and LH 10 open rego where you can drive your car anytime. Maybe it is time that the members of the ASRF actually stood up and told their delegates what they want and not be dictated to by a few who may have a self centred interest in keeping the current rego schemes in other states. Note I am not throwing stones at any 1 state here but just thinking that we would all be on an equal footing and get more cars on the road legaly. Don't get me wrong our system is not perfect but at least Main Roads leave us alone and if all the States had have stuck together it would give all Rodders a better bite at getting fenderless laws through which is something I have been pushing TAC guys for up here, sure I have a fendered car but it would be good if those who don't want fenders could drive without them. I presented a couple of TAC guys here the argument that the NZHRA used to successfully get fenderless exemptions and the TAC just kept saying Oh you will never get those through and my comment has been as long as you don't sell the situation to main roads of course you will not get them through. SO the only thing I can see that would help you would be to re-visit the national rego scheme it would make rodding so much easier in the long run and the main roads coppers would be more likely to leave you alone. On the down side of it is that everyone would have to be a member of the ASRF to get a rod registered which I have to be but don't agree with and wonder why they still couldn't just do inspections regardless of if a person was a member or not. There are some good ways around having a modified vehicle here such as the blue plate system we have as well. Now don't get me wrong here because I am not 100% pro ASRF but at least the system would work Australia wide and Rodders would be left alone and in reality the Qld system is very liberal except for me wanting to run a blower on my BBC which I don't agree that I should not be alowed to but a SBC for instance can. Plus if you don't want fenders then you should be th eindivdual who makes that decission but hey I am only one voice and not a club member. Remember divide and conquer or united we stand and this is now what has happened because a few didn't want a national scheme which could be modified as time went on. I wish you all good luck with it all, John
i have just got this on email through my club its a letter sent out from the A S R F about the pe***ion make of it what you will i do belive the A S R F will come through for us as i think there are only hope I'm concerned that the Drag-ens may do more damage than good, without knowing the full story: The NSW ASRF is still in negotiations, with the RTA, and have a lot on the table for discussions. Obviously not being a part of the ASRF they are out in the cold, but the RTA will do whatever they want anyway. They did with the VSI50 Raising and Lowering vehicles, but the ASRF negotiated with the RTA and recieved concessions for our vehicles. Whether we are still Modified Production or ICV it's our negotiating that will get us concessions from some of the ADRS that we can't possibly achieve with our type of vehicle. The laws have always been there. It is concessions that have been allowed to Street Rods, that have kept us on the road. If we are no longer able to negotiate because they got annoyed with rodders, then we can kiss our sport goodbye with a stroke of the pen. The ASRF is recognised by the RTA as the governing body, with 6,500 members, the Drag-ens (non ASRF) have 40/50 members. I have spoken to the Drag-ens President and asked if he allowed comments to be recorded on his pe***ion and he said he has. You have no control over what people are going to write; and on the raising and lowering pe***ion there were a huge amount of idiot factor comments. The the RTA's response to that was : "comments like those we've seen on this pe***ion, show exactly why we need to create these laws". *PS The ASRF have got a mention on this pe***ion as "some rodders who have been working for a couple of months" with the RTA. Not exactly the case![/FONT]
That factor alone, is a major one in which will get us through I believe! Although we feel very strong about this, we need to be proffesional, logical, respectful and calm about this so that they have no excuses! We also need someone who is willing to represent us......... An independent 'Member of Parliament'? HC.
I don't really think anybody is to blame for this other than whoever instigated it. From what I've read and heard ,this is a MODIFIED PRODUCTION VEHICLE issue not just some issue with STREET RODS that the ASRF will solve with the RTA for a better world. I for one enjoy driving older modified cars, whenever and wherever I choose to drive them. Not all of us drive a prius or some other late model to work and become the weekend "Street Rodder" There is a great number of MODIFIED PRODUCTION VEHICLES on our roads, be it Hot Rods, Street Rods, Customs, Mini Trucks, Volkswagens, 4WD, Street Machines,Imports........the list can go on. The mention of an umbrella group that will cover all Modified Production Vehicles sound like a good idea and I'm sure it could work like our N.Z mates, but I can see that this will become a limited type rego deal that will stop your freedom of driving whatever, wherever, whenever. Not pointing fingers or blaming anybody wanting to be an individual, we all have different views on many subjects but I for one would like the choice to drive any car I want.
Yeah, but you know what they'll say: "Sure you can, and here are the rules you have to fit into." I sure hope QLD doesn't take on any more of NSW's 'good' ideas. That's a bitter/sweet joke. I really hope they don't.
All comments read and theyre ok BUT - no one is asking the question as to WHY they are moving the goal posts ? i. Non conformance by the RTA to a National Rego Scheme - even though these schemes are working very well in other states as implemented. ii. Next, banning of modded imports moving the goal posts to pre 1989 for mods, moving the goal posts again and restricting the supply of raw material. iii. Lowering laws - another attempt to restrict mods. iv. now this current wave of anti modded cars sentiment from these ****ers. Anyone seeing a pattern here ? This is NOT about modified cars guys. This about an infiringement on YOUR right to be INDIVIDUAL and to CHOOSE the kind of vehicle YOU want to drive. The very thong that our Diggers fought and died for back in WWII. This in itself makes me sick to the core. As such, any claims of democratic process are unfounded here. Zero consultation, zero discussion and care factor zero as well as a misguided media capmpaign misniformation/propaganda designed to ******** John Citizenand and destroy not only a m***ive hobby/industry that hurts NO ONE, but a WAY OF LIFE. Completely undemocratic and borders on impinging on your Common Law rights. One last thing. Last I checked, the Vic Roads were NOT a Govt Department and Im willing to bet that the NSW RTA aint either. They are PRIVATE COMPANIES. Dont believe me? Do your research people as to what is actually mandated by Legislation/ Acts of Parliament and Road Rules in your State - you might be in for a shock. Rat
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