Xnay Chevrolet! I like my SBF with chevy carbs, valves and alternater. The chevy master cylinder does not count!
Yes Sawzall this is the Sport coupe I'm talkin about. A little more info on the car to make the decision. Fatabone set me up with a real nice 29 sport coupe. It was 90 percent restored. Everything you can buy for the car new is included, even a new top. Bodywork is done and is painted black but not to good of a job. Plans for the car....Put it on a set of 32 rails that are pinched to the grill and the horns bobbed. The frame will be set up to get the car real low. Full hood with the 29 shell. Maybe a slight chop but more than likely left stock. Either fix the black paint or just give it a coat of black primer. Tan wheels to match the tan top with blackwall firestones. Oh yeh sell off all the original stuff like the chassis. I'm not worried about making it a period perfect car, just a good looking driver. As far as the BS about small block chevys. I'm going to have way too much in a nailhead for my 32. The nailhead is going to cost me triple what a sbc would. Sure everybody runs sbc's but I like to run a hood and who gives a **** what's under it. I'm still on the fence about the 302. I know they are a pain in the ass. Pulley's are a nightmare! Not to mention the one Ford that drove a bunch of us crazy with everything it broke. The up side is this is a well cared for motor that I know is good. The price is right. FREEBIE!!! Then again I'm not gonna have any time for any BS cause the 32 is my main focus. Clark (SoWhat)
Clark, It looks to me like you are starting a small collection of FORD powered vehicles. Next you will be putting a ford into the '32.
heres a picture from the muroc book...sorry its a bad scan...but if mine wasnt already chopped up this is how i would do it zach
No Ford in the 32. The Nailhead was a freebie (thanks again Mazdaslam) and it's ending up costing a small fortune and we're not doing anything radical. Just a rebuild! I think I'm gonna stick to SBC's from now on. Not cause I can't think of something different but because I'm too cheap. Larry's catching hell from the boys for putting a 4 banger in his 32. I think they can be cool. Hell the modified has enough power to scare the **** out of you. Tok..no expencive intakes for me! It will get a 4 barrel and that's it. Hell it may get painted valve covers. Clark (SoWhat)
[ QUOTE ] if you're building a FORD,run a FORD !!!!...no bigger turnoff than a bowtie in a FORD... RUN WITH WHAT YOU ARE BUILDING [/ QUOTE ] Oooh, this guy would hate to see inside my head. I'm looking at a Pontiac 389 to stuff into a '62 Ford pickup, possibly. I love to piss off the purists!
Me to. A FE 390 in a '57 Safari with Edsel valve covers and a tri carb set up off of a T-Bird would be sick!
Clark,,,,,,,,the only problem I see is that the 302 is longer that the sbc,,,unless your going to use a new longer hood your gonna have to reverse the firewall to gain engine room,,,and give up leg room. HRP
Clark. When my father passed he was in the process of building a 400 sbc. I have everything here, except a torch wrench. All the parts. Thousands of parts If you come and help me build it . Ill give ya my Complete 350 engine. Out of a 86 suburban. Its been redone. not rebuilt... its taking up space. come take it.
Clark, The 302 should be fine in the A if you are using a '32 frame. I have a 428 FE in my A coupe on deuce rails. Had to cut into the firewall about 2" to fit it in. The 302 is a little longer than a small block chevy, but it is lighter, the dist. is in the front and it's narrower. It costs about the same to build a 302 or mouse motor now. With all the 5.0 Mustang's being built there is a ton of performance equipment available.
Archie Bunker once said "I ain't livin' nowhere where the MI-NORITY is the MA-JORITY! People bashing the SBC are starting to sound and act like sheep... one following the other. (except for those like Rocky who have a track record of running Ponchos and other motors) Sam.
Having owned vehicles powered by 289s, 302s and 305s, 350s I don't see any reason NOT to run the 302. I'm not sure what happened with the Ford motor that you say broke every thing, but all of the SBFs and SBCs that I have owned have been equally reliable. In my experience, I have not found one to be easier to work with than the other, just different. There seems to be a myth that the SBFs are harder to figure out due to Ford making a bunch of changes throughout the years. I have not found this to be a major deal. In fact, I have had just as many issues with the SBCs. It seems that if you go to the parts counter and you talk to a Ford guy about the Chevs, theres always some confusion. And if you talk to the Chev guy about the Fords, same thing. You talk about the pulleys being an issue. Just go to the salvage yard and pull all of the pulleys and accesories off of the same car and write down what year the stuff came off of. That simple. I guess what I'm saying is that aside from the bullsh*t "traditional argument, The SBF will fit in the car and be just as reliable and have the same parts availability as the SBC. Just my experience with them.
As far as re-sale. I would pay LESS if it had a sbc in it. To me it would be worth more with the sbf. Run the 302 and smile.......
I'm NOT trying to start "****" with the FORD GUYS... you know... I used to be really pro ford. thats all there was. FORD I was brought up that way, I look at it almost like decrimination now- opression of one race over the other, its really no different. the more I embrased this hobby the more I grew to appreciate every type of engine from the 303 olds to the SBC to the HEMI that im running in my roadster... as I got more intersted in the roots of the hobby I realized that ford... other than the flathead and Yblock is really limited in early traditional engines. history of engines is amazeing, look at the 49 olds and Cad motors they are works of art concidering they were on the market in 49, they were produced well before that- Knowing the history I appreciate them- before I could give a **** less. from a history standpoint the 302 is a good motor but I think for a trad hot rod its the wrong choice, not that anyone thats running a 302 is wrong- but in the world of roots, history, and cheap trad performance parts its lacking... the only way I would run a 302 is if it were a full roller motor with fuel injection and a six speed- nitrous, gears, button clutch- that intake that pig posted is 12- 1500 buxx with all the strap-ons to make it look old... theres just no way to make a 302 a trad motor, you can make it "look" trad but damn dude, as long as tokyo's cuttin checks- otherwise- BTW, I sold all my mustangs- and replaced them with Hot Rods- RIP Tuck
Why would anyone run a SBF in a hot rod, It only weighs about 150 pounds less, makes more HP, and runs as cool as you can get, besides every one knows a 350 Chevy is as traditional as it gets. Now that I've pissed everyone off (like that hasn't happened before), lets just say that I run my ford motor hard with no problems and as far as the extra cost, other than the heads which were pricey, the other parts have been the same or less than chevy parts. And as far as the pulley problem I agree but I made my own.
Trad Trad Trad. blah blah blah. hey man stop and think for a minute. the guys back in the "ol days" that we try so hard to emulate didn't give a crap who made what. They wanted to get the most bang for their buck. so who gives a sh*t about whats 100% trad. BTW mines running a flatmotor. and I got a 302 roller wating for the next one. I'll walk right by any car with a SBC to look at a car with somthing cool ford or not. I'm not saying SBC's can't be cool just freaking boring to see over and over again. I say amen to the guy who does somthing different: nailhead, y-block, sbf, FE, MEL olds, cad, etc... you get the idea. my 2 cents. Drew
stop and THINK for a min... WHAT? yeah yeah yeah... remember where you are. The H.A.M.B. Is it JUST ME? or... lately everyones gone STREET-ROD around here- Trad is the reason joined this board... The trends can move on but I hope to god the HAMB stays TRAD. French Kanadian CHICKs dig Trad- Im a FREEMASON of HOTRODDING. I think theres only a select few left who embrase Hellfire. Tuck
[ QUOTE ] stop and THINK for a min... WHAT? yeah yeah yeah... remember where you are. The H.A.M.B. Is it JUST ME? or... lately everyones gone STREET-ROD around here- Trad is the reason joined this board... The trends can move on but I hope to god the HAMB stays TRAD. French Kanadian CHICKs dig Trad- Im a FREEMASON of HOTRODDING. I think theres only a select few left who embrase Hellfire. Tuck [/ QUOTE ] No offence but I think you missed my point, my point is traditional is making the best of what you got and spending the least amount of money doing it. I dig the old stuff did you not read "Mines running a flathead" in my post. The point was I think somtimes we so caught up in whats "Trad" we forget what "HOTRODDING" is all about. I mean whats more "trad" than the old "run whatcha brung" "make good with whatcha got" life style. Isn't that how "HOTRODDING" started. Or maybe I just glamorize the "good ol days" more than I should considering I wasn't there to live them. BTW Tuck cool stangs, I've been through a couple myself IMO the best bang for your buck car out there if ya wanna go fast on the cheap.
I didnt miss your point... this is where my idea and your idea of whats really Trad DIFFER... no biggie- that notion of makeing due is different from my idea of makeing RULE in terms of history. I just prefer things that seem pure- theres more soul in it. the end im done- TUCK
[ QUOTE ] I didnt miss your point... this is where my idea and your idea of whats really Trad DIFFER... no biggie- that notion of makeing due is different from my idea of makeing RULE in terms of history. I just prefer things that seem pure- theres more soul in it. the end im done- TUCK [/ QUOTE ] I agree there is a soul in a pure traditional hot rod. but there is also somthing appealing in true hot rodding not just building a true hot rod. good luck on your model a and I hope you go ahead and use the SBF unless your going the pure trad route. I've owned several of them without any problems except speeding tickets. I'm done to. Laters. Drew
To me it's the overall look of a car that matters. If the car has a hood I don't give a **** what's under it. It's the car that matters to me. My RPU had an HEI distributor and an altenator. The hood covered it and nobody knew. The outside of the car did matter how it looked. I had to run braided brake hoses on the front cause I couldn't get regular ones long enough. I covered the braided part with electrical tape just so nobody would see it. I guess the only thing that will keep me from using it is how it fits. This build is going to have to go together quick. Just as a side note ...most of the guys that are for the motor have Ford or a Ford product in their name. Just thaught that was funny. I was asked the other day what brand car I like. I had to answer all of them as long as they are old. Clark PS Ratrodder...you're better off with that redone 350 for your modified project. 400's have a tendancy to overheat and you really don't need a lot of HP in that light of a car.
Clark, I'd say use the ford 'cause you have it,it was free, and it runs. Unless you have a sbc layin around that runs and isn't gonna cost you anything then use that. I'm in the same boat with my dodge. I wanted to run a sb mopar but the car came with a 350 so I'm gonna use that,'cause it's cheap to build. Kinda sucks trying to build a car on $10 a week. later shawn
You know what,alot of people preach about "tradition",oh yeah whats so "traditional" about doing body work with a plasma cutter and a tig setup.I personally dont like 302's,but if your on a limited budget and you happen to have one ,and its the only thing standing between the car driving or not,than I say put the damn thing in there.
Django is right!Thats what we did in my shoebox,351 with Chevy alt.easy! Why did you even ask to run the 302? Its free...the S.W.S.S. rules say "If its free and runs, thats what we'll use" Geesh.
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