57 ranchwagon 460 engine swap

Well I am putting a 460 in my wagon and was wondering if anyone out there has done it. I have the engine in the car but am having some issues with the exhaust and motor mounts. If anyone has any ideas let me know. Dave.

 

Did you try stock mounts from the Y block ? I thought I was told the 429/460 used the same mount bolt pattern . may be wrong on that
I think there is conversion/adapter parts made for this.
Are you wanting headers ? For my FE I used headers from the 67-69 mustang so maybe those would work if they have some for 67-69 mustang w/ 429

 

The early FE had similar mounts as a Y-block.385 series[429-460]engines are not the same as FE mounts.

 

Getting it in the hole is the easy part. Keeping it there is the hard part.

Suggestion. Block it level at the carb flange on the intake centered in the engine room. Install accessories and fan etc. Exhaust manifolds fit? Check clearances at radiator fan/shroud, steering box.
Mount factory mounts to the block. Make sure all is stable and get under there to see what you have there. Cut some posterboard or cardboard(backs of tablets, gift boxes) patterns for your new frame mounts.
If there is a steering clearance problem you can likely move the engine an inch or two to the right side maintaining front to rear alignment and level at carb.

 

I used Dearborn cl***ics install kit, EK100, front and rear mounts, fits perfect. Crites Restoration has one too.

 

These people have mounts for 57-59 Galaxie & Fairlane 460 swap.

Crites Restoration Products

 

let me ask you a question...why are you doing that to that poor car? The 460 is a damn good truck engine...but do you need 600 ftlb of torque in that wagon?

 

I'm guessing, It's about looking cool and smoking the tires whenever you want. Ooopps sorry i just saw the Onlychevrolets in your avatar so I guess you wouldn't understand

 

I had a pretty long run playing with FE Galaxies, Fairlanes and Mustangs. The 429/460 is just one step up from the 390, which is not that easy to come by. The 460 is a natural for great reliable power on the cheap.

They are not that bad on gas if you can keep your foot out of it. I had a '69 vintage 429 that ran like a scalded dog with a Holley 2-barrel on it.

Bob

 

HAAAAA! That's priceless.
My 523 (429 block) fits fine. Radiator clearance is tight, but many have done this swap, and Crites and others make it even easier with their kits. Headers, radiators, mounts and more are all available. It's also a good time to do other important swaps, like a Granada steering box, disc brakes, etc. One thing I found with mine though, because the 429-460 is so much taller, if you have power brakes, the booster clearance is an issue. The Torinos, and countless other CARS that came with 460's, not TRUCKS, have special brackets to hang the booster on that help clear the valve cover. Or, you can use a very small booster.
If it weren't for folks that want to smoke tires, go fast, and look cool, there would be no rods and customs!
Good luck with your swap.

 

Love the six in my 59 Ranch Wagon but long for the V/8 rumble, nice to see some company names that make this swap easier. Mike Miller, your 59 Ranchero is *****in!! Thanx for the info guys. ~Sololobo~

 

Also the pullys and water pump from the 68/69 429s were shorter. clearance front to rear was an issue for mine but not a war stopper.

 

just wondering here...
what would it take to plug a '79 460 into a stock 57 3 speed ******?

 

If you really want to do that, and if Ford actually made any, look for a Torino or Mustang with a 429 and 3 spd, and yank the bellhousing. I am still thinking that would be a bad idea as a stock 460 should have no problem removing the teeth from the gears in an early 3 spd. You may be able to get away with it if you drive like Ms. Daisy.

 

guessin your right. think I'll add a c6 at the same time

 

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Because the car belongs to him and he wants to do it?

 

If the radiator is too close you might be able to move the radiator forward with six cylinder radiator brackets,usually the radiator sits in front of the core support on the sixes.

 

There is a website 57 fords forever, any and all info.

 

Just wondering here.. a 74 352 motor.
Same motor mounts as the 460 or different?


sorry, I meant 352 ci

 

Different. The 360 is part of the FE series, the 460 is part of the 385 series. Check out Crites Restoration. They have what you need.

 

If you can find them, mounts for a 68-69 Lincoln Town Car will work, have to enlongate the frame hole.

 

I exchanged a 360 w/ auto from a 74 f150 into my 57 ranch wagon.

I replaced the motor mounts to 332 mounts and was expecting to hav to replace the exaust headers for clearance issues. Before pulling them off I lifted the motor/ ****** into the bay for a look see. After a little wiggling around, sliding the ****** into place on a wheeled jack, the whole thing dropped into place with full clearance for the stock exasust manifolds ( very tight but it does fit and theres lots of room for hooking up exaust). There was no need to change them out.

 

Let see some pics, I would like to see this swap.

FYI, the mid 70's truck 360's are low compression cast iron pigs, so don't expect to be setting any land speed records (or even getting speeding tickets). The good news is that you have a very good FE block to build off of, with lots of options and speed parts available.

Good Luck and keep up the good work.

 

here's the 390 in my 57 fairlane 500-

I had been told I had to change the motor mounts and exaust in order to install the 360 into the ranch wagon. Looking close at the exaust and comparing between the 360 and the 390, i was confident it would fit just changing the motor mounts. You can see its a close fit around the steering box.




The oil canister will need to havethe adapter changed out to a 90 degree for clearance.


On the block there's 2 sets of motor mount holes. The ones that are forward on the block are for the truck motor mounts and the rear holes are for the earlier motor mounts.

I used 332 motor mounts that have 2 holes for the block and 2 studs for mounting to the cross member. You can pick them up from Napa or on ebay for less than $40.00. they look like this, but with 2 studs.



Once plugged into the wagon it looks like this ( before goodies are added and extra hoses removed):



The ride height looks like this:



I'll be putting Aerostar coils in it later on to drop it down 3 inches. It gives a sweet ride. Thats what I did in my fairlane and Ranchero to drop them down. The fairlane runs a 390, the Ranchero a 302.

 

Looks good. Thanks for the pics.

 

About 15 years ago I re-did a 460/C6 installation in a '57 Fairlaine for a guy.
The engine sat nose high to the point where there was only room for a very small diameter cooling fan, the transmission was almost touching the tunnel and there was very little room for an air cleaner.
The motor mounts in the car were a factory (Ford PN) "c" shaped type, possibly from a Lincoln like Fairlane Mike previously mentioned??
The mounts were either too tall, or mounted too high and the guy was tight with his money, so I ended up taking a wedge section out of the mounts and welding the halves back together to drop the front of the engine, and then raising the transmission mount to get the carb pad level.
The engine had stock exhaust manifolds and on one side I had to clearance the web of the frame in the area of the upper A-arm adjusting shims. I pretty sure I had shorten one of the A-arm mounting bolts on the other side for the same reason.
Hope some of this helps.

 

After seing Lono's pics I remembered that there was a triangular shaped point on the inside face of the steering box casting that we had to grind down for manifold clearance...Ive seen other steering boxes have dont have this point.
If my memory can be relied on, the motor mounts pictured look very similar to the ones I sectioned.

 

All three of my cars have manual steering. I dont know if a PS box is different.
I wonder if a 58 box is different in the case design?

The p***enger A arm is ugly tight too, like you say but just enough room for small fingers with extra knuckles.

 

Was a fella around here with a '57 Ranch Wagon with a 460 and he was running manifolds. So I'm guessing that it is an easy fix. Maybe truck manifolds?