Features Ayala-Barris Jack Stewart 1941 Ford RESTORATION has started.

I think I have seen a photo of this car in a field after the train wreck. It was a sad, small picture, but I think it was this car.

 

That isnt a problem at all ! I would run that car in a white primer for a while,it looks stunning like that.I love that car in the white,it just screams EARLY CUSTOM!

 

Amazing! Can't wait to see more!

 

Palle and Rik, Due to my love for all things '41 Ford . . . . . I am very envious of you . Glad that the right people got the car. Now it will be done RIGHT ! Will follow along as you bring this one back to it's former glory.

 

Hi Palle !
I saw the gue inside the body and thinks about a CO2 blasting technique that Ive seen only on youtube and it looks like its great on softer stuff like tar , undercoating but also paint , check it out at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ktvKy_5xzA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHhewO9qQ78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSJc8n626XE&feature=related
Im happy to see the restoration on the way !
Wolf

 

Hi Wolf!
thanks for the links..it sure looks easy!
i dont know for sure if i will remove everything.. i mean its part of the history, and thats the way they did it back then. also theres some tinwork here and there, that doesnt look to good!
i am just about to upload some of the picture we took today!
when its done, i'll show you more!
-palle

 

thank you for sharing your build photos , and saving a cool old ride , and returning it to former glory ,

 

Hey,

BE VERY CAREFUL how you remove old undercoating ,some of it may contain asbestos! Some builders have used roofing mastic, figgerin ''tar is tar'', what does it matter! If you do remove it, try to do so in as many big pieces as possible, and never grind or blast it.

Great kustom project!

'' Meanwhyle, back aboard The Tainted Pork "

 

Hey Palle,great to see this car coming together under capable hands.I believe what makes this car unique is that it was worked on by two of the most popular shops of the time,Ayala and Barris.Whatever the surprises are as you dig into this custom will only show how "human"these builders are or were.

 

okay guys...heres more!
i am just showing you what comes out in the daylight, when an old car is being taken apart like this! i havent decided what to do with this black ****! i want to do this right, but i still want the car to be a AYALA/BARRIS car! just give me you opinion...


and the old steel structure build to hold the back of the car together..its welded up under the catwalk!

heres the the interior gently taken out..my friend Dan spend hour on that project, but we will use as much of the 1951 interior as we can!

and heres a cool thing..this is the measurements done on the inside of the roof, for the steel structure!

and Dan removing the dash board!

and for the eagleeyed..the handbrake is pinstriped..i will ask Bob who did this!

stay tuned!
palle

 

Wow, just to think that car once cruised my neighborhood back in the day. Good to know it's in good hands & getting what it deserves.

 

Hey Palle,

I don't think alot would be gained by removal of the "black ****'' unless you suspect rot or rust beneith it anywhere!

What does consern me is from the first set of pictures of the interior with the trim removed, there doesn't look like much of the original inner reinforcement stretcher panels were ever replaced when it was chopped. The steel rods running from the floor kick up to the bottom of "The Dutchman" panel would offer some support, but the plywood package shelf and pine tack strips held in with wood screws and angle brackets, probably not much. This probably flew for a show car, but I'd expect to see cracks forming around the backlight and quarterlight openings especially if the filler was very thick in these areas, were this vehicle to become a driver for long. I would suggest some additional steel be added to tie the inner quarters to the cant rails, to the package shelf and tops of the wheelhouses. Just something to think about whyle you've got the interior out. I'd hate to see cracks develope aroung the bases of the sail & b posts as well as the backlight were they not protected from torsional forces on a vehicle with a conventional frame. The factory engineers put these in for a reason, and many guys remove them and don't replace them at chop time only to be bitten in the *** down the road, usually after a very expensive paint job has been sprayed over the exterior of the vehicle (insert very sad face here)!



" There is in manufacturing a creative joy that only poets are suppose to know. Someday I'd like to show a poet how it feels to design and build a locomotive."
Walter P. Chrysler

 

If that roof tar has a lot of age on it,it might be brittle, you could chip it out with s****pers and screwdrivers. I wouldn't take it out unless you have to get to the backside of the sheetmetal while your doing bodywork or welding.I've done cars with ****loads of that stuff in it. My first bodyman boss I had years ago did bodywork in the fifties and forties and they used it a lot to cover sins, and just to seal up floorboards and all. I think they made some automotive style coating like that to, but you had to still smear it around likes that. And then again I might be high. I love getting to see inside old customs like this. And I don't know if its my imagination, but it does seem like I remember seeing a wreck pic of this car somewhere in some magazine.

 

Really enjoying this thread! ...great that you guys are working so hard to save a cl***ic.

 

watching...waiting...anticipating...

 

Thanks for posting these pics,i wonder if that tar is from back in the day of Ayalas or from when this car was in the big accident.Probably not the Ayalas but never know forsure.

 

Here is a cropped section made from the original photo to show the pinstriping on the handbrake a bit better. You and Dan got quite a bit of work done yesterday... So amazing to finally see everything that is normally always hidden.

 

Real history unfolding here.

 

Nice! cant wait to see more pics as the restoration moves forward, id leave the "black ****" its part of the cars history!

 

This is the best thread on the HAMB! Thanks for posting. It is great watching this history unfold. Great photos and stories.

 

this thread is going to be awesome! It looks like you are heading in the right direction, I like that you are trying to save as much of the interior as possible! Remember when you restore it that you don't make it too perfect. the car was built a long time ago, and it didn't look like a concours d'elegance car when it was done. somehow it makes me kind of sad to see old bonneville lakesters from the 1940s, for example, being restored to perfect condition and displayed at pebble beach. All the bumps and dings and scratches are gone, thd bodywork is straight as a mirror, and the car has lost all of its character. I saw a 1940s bonneville survivor roadster on my last trip to usa. everything on the car looked brand new, and even the doors went tigher and smoother than on our 2010 taurus rental car... the car was beautiful.....but "boring"

 

Amazing photos... this will be an interesting restoration to follow!

 

Super cool thread.

Man, that tar is a nightmare. But it sometimes hides good lead work too as I have found before.

 

Great thread, some suggestions. Speaking from 55 years experience. Don't know everything but I have some opinions. On the black ****!! Try a heat gun and a putty knife. Actually, it goes pretty quick if it works. S****e off the heavy stuff and go back a second time and finish up light leftovers. If it is what I think it is you should be able to wash the rest off with lacquer thinner or wax&grease solvent. Probably should be done in a well ventilated area with the proper respirator and rubber gloves. If you get any smoke especially. It might have asbestos in it. It is o'k' to leave as much original as possible. But if you don't get this stuff off you will not be able to weld, lead, or work any metal on the car. This leaves you with no alternative but to mud the car. Also, you can't see what you are working with or on with the **** in place. It seems like a shame to half-*** the car to save the ****. Kind of like don't wash the engine down because you want to retain the original grease. Ford business coupes had no inner quarters or normal bulkhead and bracing in what would have been the package tray area. Cars were notorious flexers and crackers especially beltline at B pillars. You really have to install proper bracing and inner panels. One more opinion while we are at it. Be damn careful in stripping the outside of the vehicle. I have seen many old lead jobs totally ruin from grinding into the soft lead areas. O'K' to pull top layers of paint with stripper or sander just don't go down into the primer. Final sand by hand. A good example of this is the butchered job done on the Grecian when it was first rediscovered years ago. The lead work on car was fine on the upper areas. They ground into it with a mudhog and ruined the lead work. Also, never sandblast any tin ever!!!! It distorts the metal and work hardens the surface. Some media blasting is o'k' be careful!! I am anxious to see the metal work on the outside. Their were some real magiicians doing bodywork in the fifties but there were some real lead slingers too. The best part about lead work it will last forever no matter how thick it is. I would definitely not touch the old lead work if it is o'k'. Long winded, opinionated, tinguy and I hope it is of some help. Keep the pics coming. Rik, noted your comment on the other"generation" and it doesn't apply to us of course. Ha Ha!! tingu&patticake

 

Of co**** that does not apply to you Paul!!!
You are the best in supplying old and new photo material.

Thank you for your insights on the Jack Stewart Ford, and especially the black tar kind of stuff on the inside. It make a lot of sense to me.

 

Dry Ice blasting can remove the tar/glue gunk really well if there is someone in your area that offers the service.

 

thanks all for your comments. it isnice to see the interest of this project, and i will try to work a bit every weekend...
ive had second thoughts about the tar, but i decided to take it of. i tried by hand, but i will never be happy with the result, and therefore i now work with the dry ice method...i think this will be the best thing to do for the car! I talked to a couple of guys, and will look into this next week i think!
about the inner quarters..does anyone have a picture of how it could be done!
maybe you have done that on your fantastic 41 Paul Bragg!?
and also Paul, about taking the paint off..when Bob bought the car, it was completely stripped!
Bob told me he never cared much about the body work, and he painted the car in his garage. he was more interested in getting the car out on the streets, and run fast! and he did for sure!
and what we can see is that it is pretty 'wavy' everywhere, and i could be becuse it has been blasted back then! and i tried to sand it by hand some places, and it is kind of easy to get into the primer, so it can be done carefully!
the next will be to have the body off the frame..not sure if it will happen this weekend, but it is close. then you will se the nice work Bob did to the frame!
cant wait to put back a cadillac flathead into it!
heres the inside of the hood..could need some cleaning too!


Sondre...your right! i will try to do a nice restauration without ruin the car! i know i am walking on a thin line here, and i we are happy about everybodys opinion!!
thanks again
palle

 

Man, that all looks like serious fun!!!
Good luck,

" Picture all experts as if they were mamals "

 

Congrats on this great car. You have alot of work ahead of you..but what a historic car.

You're probably going to go nuts getting all that black stuff off...but I'm sure when it's all done you say it was worth it. It's really the only way to see what is really under there...and for the restoration the way you are doing it....is probably what you should do...trust your gut...

Looking forward to seeing and reading your progress.
-Jerry

 

This is getting good

Cant wait for more pic