What's it worth? WAYNE HEAD -- Wayne F Horning -- FISHER GMC

WOW...relax a bit.

 

s**** prices are the base line?
tell him you will give him $90.00 a pound for all of it.

 

Hey, Paul, weigh up that blown 371 you have pictured in one of your recent threads, and I'll be out in the s**** hauler to pick it up!

 

I'm quite relaxed, thanks. I'm also tired and going to bed now. Hope all have a pleasant sleep tonight.

 

I haven't seen a Wayne head for a long time, I think you are a stand up guy trying to be fair on pricing of all the parts you listed. I would be proud to have you as a friend, most people would rip your friend off on the parts, and not think anything about it. And I wont even comment on some of the other replys.

 

Thank you for stating the exact way I feel. This thread shows the greatness of most HAMB members, and makes you wonder about some newcommers.

 

I'm going to be real AS*HOLE here and say compare the cost of these parts to.......

1. a Factory Q-Jet/split exhaust manifold SOHC Pontiac Sprint top end conversion;

2. cut up and re-welded back together SB double-hump heads; and

3. A Pete Ardema SOHC conversion on top of the cut-up welded back together SB heads.. If Pete will do it for you???

And then you can, imho, realistically compare prices!

Hell, compare the price of installing the DOHC Vortec 6-banger Truck head to finish this off.

AND I dearly love the old 6-banger stuff, but let's get real..

You really want this stuff and honestly DON'T want to screw your friend, then pay him ebay/Craigslist and go and then come right out and tell him that if HE think's you screwed him, that you will pony up but in the same sentense, TELL him that if HE think's that you paid TOO much to rebate back so that you can REMAIN FRIENDS!!

It's like my ol' RR Buddy told me a while back that the reason we are both very close firiends after ALL these years is because we AREN'T out to screw each other!!

Much less trying to F** each other's wive's!

About as blunt as I can be and it's the TRUTH!!

pdq67

 

There are some additional related parts like the above mentioned Sig Erson cam, but I don't recall seeing intake or exhaust manifolds. It will certainly be magnafluxed before the engine is ***embled.

I did ask for opinions, agreed, as stated above. Nowhere did I say I didn't like your opinion, but now that you mention it...

Thanks Bubba, we'll have to see where this goes. I've followed your work for a few years and next flathead I build is getting one of your distributors! We may be talking even sooner about your 302 though!

Good to know. I have ZERO experience with these heads. All I know about them is urban legend, but I'll be well versed before the motor goes together! Knowing my dad (whose GMC peek up this would be going in) he'd go nuts not having something to fart around with constantly!

So the rest of us can put our rulers away?

It's how I was raised, and how I raise my kids. There are fewer and fewer honest people these days, but by and large car guys are the best people anywhere! Thanks for the flattering comments.

We be good people! Plenty of ego flows around here but I've never had a bad business deal with a fellow HAMBer. Admittedly, I'm pretty selective about who I do business with.

Why would you consider yourself an ***hole for that statement? I think you're right on the money. Besides, I've never seen his wife!

 

a Picaso for the price of oil and canvas?

sweet..

 

LMAO, absolutely!

 

my junk doesn't compare to the subject matter here,

but if it did, at $90.00 a pound it would be about $72,000.00 for whole kit and kaboodle,
at that price you can have it

 

I don't remember the exact amount that the last 12 Port GMC head like this brought on eBay - but lots of enthusiastic bidders for a head that will need everything to make it right to put on a motor. I am guessing that it went for something north of $4000 for head and valve cover -

This is it here for reference - http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2055128200038600909fWCpMC

Will wind up on a warmed up 302 in a 39 GMC

 

I guess it might be a good idea to point out that Wayne Horning made two 12 port GMC heads. The Wayne head which has the stock port sequence and no combustion chamber and the Horning-Fisher head, which this is, which has an I-E-I-E-I-E ports and a chamber in head. Very different animals. I have run the Horning-Fisher and the Howard head on GMC engines in the past. The Howard was very close to a Wayne and is being made now by Aries. I can think of no reason that either would be hard to run on the street with a mild cam, reasonable compression, and intake. But they were made somewhat crudely and served better as race parts when the slight leak or frequent repair wasn't that big a deal.

 

Thanks Rich, this is GREAT info! As I read and get more info it seems that the valve cover casting with WAYNE F FISHER is an earlier version, and the GMC-FISHER is a later version.

 

I will be buying parts for my 302 very soon. Here is what I know and I am no expert. I will not be purchasing the aluminium head as I have a stock head ported with 2.02 valves by Sissell's, anyways......

$5,000 for a 'new' aluminium Jimmy head complete with valves, $1,900 for the roller rockers with shaft and stands, $1,000 for the roller lifters and do not forget about the cam as Rich Fox already advised.... Make sure you purchase the cam.....

Since you are purchasing it from a friend, I'm sure you and your friend will come to an agreement..... Good luck and what a find.....


Not to hi-jack your post however; Rich Fox, is Aries still making the Wayne head ? There was some trouble there a while ago, wasn't there ? ....

 

Hi jack away. Its relevant to the thread.

 

Well if you don't mind the hi-jacking of your post, click on "My Blog" and you will see a Fisher head for a Jimmy 302... I only ***ume the rockers will be similar to your Wayne head....

 

Great blog! I've heard several times that there are reportedly less than a dozen of these heads made, but from the sounds of it on just this thread there are more than a dozen out there. Is that possible?

 

the Arias heads are still out there for sale from the Fergusons. bare head machined with guide/seats and a 2 piece valve cover runs 2500 bucks or so, 3500 or so with valves and ready to run. They buy valve blanks from Manley and machine the rest. They also have throttle bodies and fron mount dizzy drives etc if you want to spin em up and not get timing deflection from cam wobble. These heads are the latest version and have teh MUCH better port conifguration than the early versions.
Hans

 

Arias was making the Howard head not the Wayne. My friend Bill Carlson bought 6 of those heads. (I don't know why so many) and ran one on a fuel digger and one on a Bonneville roadster. To the best of my knowledge they were both successful at what he was doing. Keep in mind what I said before about race parts compared to a new Toyota in maintenance. Another thing, Is this H-F head drilled for cartridge fire spark plugs? That's the way they came from new. I tapped one of mine for 10mm plugs which worked for a while and then it launched a plug and the aluminum ring it was threaded into. Most drilled out the entire plug area and welded in a slug which was then machined for conventional plugs. I did that with my original Howard head and one H-F head.

 

The Wayne Chevy head and maybe the Wayne GMC head was made by Harry Warner whose son Dan Warner is the guy that inspects your car if you set a record at El Mirage or Bonneville. He also chimes in here from time to time and with any luck will jump in with some factual information.

 

The Ferguson's are also manufacturing the Ardun heads as well.... Wow....

 

The 270 H head was supposed to have the same big ports as the 302 head and the open chamber of the 270 as opposed to the D shaped chamber of the 302. The open chamber was thought not to shroud the valves for better flow than the 302 head. I liked the 302 head for the squish and turbulence it produced. Which is better????? The H head is worth more.

 

well it's time to call "Mr GMC"....

 

Well my Friend, I would hate to give you more - than you want.
Until it is put on the sale block, no one knows it's real worth.
I would like to own the package, for sure.

 

On my way over there with the camera. News at 10... depending where you are.

 

I was thinking more like $90.00 a ton--at that price, I could justify the cross country drive. Oh, well......I'll have to keep looking in dumpsters in hope that someone threw their blown Olds away.

 

Okay fellas, took some detailed pics today. This has gotten way too rich for my blood, and what I can afford to pay was several thousand dollars ago. My friend has asked me to sell it for him and before whoring it out on eBay I'd rather see it go to a fellow HAMBer who can (and will) use it.

Pictures will be up shortly.

 

checked in with Mr. GMC....do you know what they paid for them in about 1954/55...it was still a lot of money then....

 

I would think that living in St. George you would ask Zeke about 12 port stuff. When I wanted to barrow Hilborns for mine that's where I went.