What's it worth? WAYNE HEAD -- Wayne F Horning -- FISHER GMC

Yes Rich, I know Zeke. He lives a few blocks away, but I'll do my business elsewhere, thank you.

 

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Looks like some nice stuff!! I went to Bonneville this year and spent some time hanging around a car running a blown 302 GMC. He had a new 12 port head from Joe Fontana. Going from memory now, the head was $8000.00. He had a roller cam, and roller rockers from Joe as well. I think they were either $3000.00 for each set, or $3000.00 for the whole works.
This is the car. It went 208

Those prices may be a little to fair for the parts your looking for lol.

 

So here's what we have in parts:

1--Aluminum Wayne head, valves installed, machinist's dye around valve seats.
2--Aluminum "riser" adapter between head and valve cover. The riser mounted to the head has two breathers already installed.
2--Valve aluminum valve covers, one cast "Wayne F Horning" the other cast "FISHER-GMC"
1--Sig Erson Cam in original box with custom grind tag included and neato sticker. I don't know if the cam was ground for this application, someone may be able to interject here with the information provided on lift and duration... anyone? Bueller?
2--Complete rocker sets, one pushrod and one roller/rocker.

The head seems to have been run in the past, as there seem to be some water deposits in the jackets, but very little. The head surface (that mounts to the block) is machined and ready to install. I don't know if all of these heads are this clean, but it looks like the intake and exhaust have been ported and polished.

Now that you're loaded with all of this information what would be a "fair" price?

Fellas, thanks for your patience and educating me as I learn all I can about this historical piece(s). Again, this is way outta my league money wise as well as being able to build a motor/car fitting of it. This will be going up for sale soon and although I'm not out to screw anyone I think it makes sense to see my friend get a fair price for it.

 

In my word its always the sellers job to set or say his price. Its never my job to tell someone what there stuff is worth.
When I run into guys like that at swap meets or whatever I tactfully explain it to them and it always works.
Use the I don’t want to insult you excuse or play dumb , but get them to say it…..you cant be the bad guy that way.

 

That's AWESOME Dyce! I hope this set finds itself in the hands of someone as capable as these guys! 208!? Holy sheeeeeet!

 

Agreed and well put. However I'm relying on members to help me "determine" a "value". Nobody needs to get rich and nobody needs to get robbed, right?

I greatly admire your work and I know I'll pay a little more for your axles, but I know the product I get will outweigh the small price difference. Had I never shopped dropped axles before (or just opened a Speedway catalog and looked an unfinished tube axle) I'd think your prices were out of line. That said, I'm trying to educate myself here as I admittedly knew nothing about Wayne stuff (except that it was cool racing ****) until just a few days ago.

I hate these "whats it worth" threads which is why I didn't want to start it in the first place, LOL. I'm surprised nobody has sad "its worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay."

C'mon guys, be the first to drop that line on me! LMAO

 

Once again. That is not a "Wayne" head. It came from the mind and hands of Wayne Horning. It's a 12 port head for a GMC. But that is the limit of the similarity. It is a Horning-Fisher head. Two different heads. If you advertise it as a Wayne head someone may be disappointed to find his Wayne intake, Valve cover, cam and pistons don't work. The two piece valve cover is standard for the Horning-Fisher head. Zeke to strange for you?

 

It's worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay!

There you got your answer

No idea what it's worth, but those are some nice parts.

 

Rich, I must have missed your earlier post about it NOT being a Wayne head. Thank you for the clarification, I won't make the mistake again and I certainly don't want to misrepresent this stuff.

I've know Zeke for years. Bought a '41 Ford Tudor from him and put about 5000 miles on it in two years. Gavee him the 216 and trans out of my wife's '48 Chevy pickup. Two weeks later he accuses me of stealing from him!? If I had mistakenly taken a pen from the WalMart cashier I'd drive back 10 miles to return it and apologize. The LAST thing I'd EVER do is steal something, let alone from another car guy. We don't talk anymore.

Winner winner chicken dinner! Thanks rschilp!

 

Okay fellas, since Rich has pointed out that this is NOT a "Wayne" head but a "Horning-Fisher head", and now that you've seen the details and what's included, are we set at $5000? Is that too high with it not being a "Wayne" head?

Rich, thanks for the input, education and keeping me honest!

 

Then you won't know that Zeke is not well, and did have his whole collection up for sale a while ago.

 

You're right, I didn't know this. Thanks for telling me.

 

....and they're off!!!

 

what's off?

 

Daddio,
Stop with all this teasing ****! Buy them already and get busy putting them in your Dad's truck so we can all enjoy them!

 

Robleticia, we had intended to buy it from the beginning and wanted to know what a fair price would be. That's why this whole thread started.

Finding out is was worth way more than our budget would allow, and letting my friend know that, he said "sell it for me". That's why it went this direction. I know I'll be kicking my own *** in a few years saying, "I can't believe I let that head go!"

 

daddio, I totally understand and your friend should cut you a SMOKIN deal for being a honest friend! Its for your Dad, come on!! I cant afford them either, but thanks for showing us and allowing me to drool all over my key board! Friends like you are hard to find!
Rob

 

Don't blame me for having good character, it's how I was raised and how I'm trying to raise my kids.

Ronald Regan said something like... and I'm going to slaughter this... "Always do the right thing, even when nobody is watching." A sentiment I live by.

As far as my friend, he owes me nothing. Friends do stuff like this for each other, right?

 

Well to answer your "what is it worth question" I would say a fair price is somewhere between $5000-$8000. I believe it would be worth quite a bit more if you had the intake and exhaust manifolds. They will be nearly impossible to find and more than likely the buyer will need to have something custom made. I have a 302 with a 6-71 blower in my '40 Chevy pickup. When I was getting it built, I contemplated getting an Arias head. They are really cool, but they had only just came out, were very expensive and I was advised against it since they were designed more for a race application. That's probably changed now and I do regret it a little bit. But the blower on my engine makes it go like stink and has amazing wow factor. But I digress. If I had the money, I wouldn't hesitate to spend $8000 on it. Unfortunately I don't have the money....lol

 

Deucedreamer:
I'm new here and don't want to get off the subject but, I would really like to see pic of your blown inline. Others, I'm sure, would like to see it too.
Tx...Bob

 

Ahh, the famed 12 port head and parts in HD !
Thanks for posting the pics for those of us who can only look, but can't ever touch.
I wonder if the guy who's going to end up with it remembers the ***le of this thread rather as:
Was it worth it ?

I guess he won't ... haha

 

These are tough times for many of us and money is as tight as a cat's ***.

In any sale, the item is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay at the time he buys it. How much they cost to make new; how much they sold for at Barrett-Jackson; how much they should be worth are all just viewpoints. The value is determined at the point of sale.

What is the value of an original Wayne 12 port head for a GMC 302 along with the matching Wayne rocker cover, custom tube headers for it, and a variety of other goodies that go with it? $3k? $5k? $10k? No-k? What's it worth? Now then tell me what I paid for the one that I bought on eBay about a year ago.

No disrespect to anybody but it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it and what the seller is willing to accept at the point of sale. That's an unknown until one second after the auction is over.

This head has not been pressure tested, so without some more information it could be perfect and it could be a paper weight. I've bought PLENTY OF PAPERWEIGHTS ON eBay in the 12 years I've been using it, so trust me, no matter how much we think something is great, until the facts are verified it's an unknown.

By example; I advertised a new old stock never mounted brandy spanky new 47-53 factory original GMC outside sunvisor in the original GMC factory box with all markings, all of the fasteners, all of the brackets in perfect condition, along with the original installation instructions, and original packing materials right here on this board about 6 months ago for $900.00 I paid $1100 for it 8 years earlier so I figured at a minimum I should get what I paid; after all eight years of inflation had p***ed. I couldn't get any offers above $600 for it here on this board. I put it on eBay and it peaked out at $703. I finally sold it privately for $800. To me it should have been worth $1400 but at the time I sold it, it was only worth $800 including shipping because that's what that buyer was willing to pay for it.

It's worth what someone will pay at the time it is sold and not one cent more. That's my on this subject.

Good luck

By the way, I paid $1400 for the Wayne 12 port and another $500 for the misc parts that went with it. Did I screw the seller? Did he screw me? Or did I simply pay what it was worth at the time and what he was willing to sell it for?

 

PM sent.

Yeah Deuce, show us!

LMAO, TRUE DAT!

Your first statement was covered earlier... with some humor.

The head will be pressure tested Monday.

If the buyer and seller agreed on the price nobody got screwed.

 

For those of you interested, I dropped the head off at the machine shop yesterday to have it pressure tested. They haven't yet gotten to it, but should have it done tomorrow. I'll post the findings.

 

Got the word from the machine shop a few hours ago. The head p***ed the pressure test with flying colors!

 

And so I ride the auction as high bidder for the duration and then all bids are canceled in the last seconds of the auction with no reasons given?

This is ridiculous.