okies, after tomorrow if someone on the forum living in alabama gets their ***le yanked, raise yer hand, we wanna know how it happened.
bring copies of paperwork with you to the dmv for their transfer records they will not give back any paperwork to you to keep sad all original ***les -bill of sales for some of my old cars which i could use to do***ent the ownership history got into the hands of the dmv they do not keep them and i do not know why they need them...
i have been wondering how folks are able to just print/ scrounge up ***les and sell them like hotcakes to anyone. it seems like sooner or later it will blow up and thousands of people will be driving illegal cars.
Maybe the other guy has an engine with the same vin number as your vehicle and registered the vehicle using the engine number?
find a way to get a ***le, and call yours in stolen!! That'll get him! There's always the chance too this guy did it legit, but a 7 looked like a 1 or somthing
So, can anyone figure out why IL just wants to do bonded ***les on anything older then 48? You buy the bond, and if everything falls apart, they collect the bond value and throw up their hands free of the whole mess. Just a note, after 3 years, the bonded ***le and state stamped vin becomes the real deal, any other paper work will not be valid after the three year time limit. The time is not far off that original paper work on modified cars will be almost worthless! Unless you keep all the original parts, you could be screwed. Gene
Possible that the Alabama vehicle's VIN was mis-recorded? Considering how loose registrations were back in the day, anything's possible. In the 60's a lot of stolen cars were laundered through there as a bill of sale was all that it took to transfer cars. A friend who's father was a used car dealer got burned on a one year old car in '69 that way. I personally bought a car that was traded into the car dealership that I worked at in New Mexico with the VIN having two transposed numbers. Compounding the problem, it was a two owner car, the first owner's name was never removed from the ***le. The second owner was a municipality, it was used as a detective's car by the local P.D. Had cover plates issued by the state that were never registered. Had a friend with NMSP run the plate number to find that out. Took a lot of paperwork and letters from the P.D. to get that straightened out. Plus, as a added benefit, I used to get a LOT of stares driving that car through that city, the cop that drove it was a no B.S. kind of person that didn't win any popularity contests.........found all that out AFTER it was purchased!
Most DMV representatives are retards I fought with Dmv all the time usually win due to incompetence. right now i have an issue with my 61 comet wagon as it is registered as a roadster!
One of the many ways to ***le a vehicle is to dream up a vin. Have someone with access run it through the state system to see if it is being used. If not, stamp it and have the DMV or other authorized en***y verify it and get a new ***le issued. It is done quite frequently. Fairly sure that is what happened to you. One of the many reasons that states like the one I live in are coming after fraudulently ***led vehicles. Many of us complain about the complexity of getting a ***le, but obviusly, as you have stated their are two sides to the coin.
The state makes you get the bond so that they are never on the hook, if the bond is gone after YOU will end up paying the claimant and all legal expenses, the reason they want 1 1/2 times the amount of value. If a claimant is awarded the vehicle which you posses the insurance (bond) is set up to reimburse the individual so the state is not liable in any way, it becomes completely between you and the bond company, the claimant gets automatic gratis. You will be prosecuted by the bond company to reimburse them for the amount that they disbursed. In the heat of the moment it is very important to read very carefully all this paper work laid out before you, I strongly recommend that if you did not or do not read this into your bond agreement that you consult with counsel. The bond is NOT an insurance policy that eats the problem should it arise, the bond is a guarantee upon your ability to reimburse all parties. This is why you must have some financial substance in order to obtain it and you sign a freedom to obtain financial information form with the bond company.
If the serial numbers (visible and hidden) match the ***le you have and the ***le is legitimate then by all means keep pursuing the issue. Do you know the make and year of the Alabama car? Although unlikely, since serial numbers were not controlled as they are now compounded by some older cars being ***led by the engine number, a completly different car could possibly exist with the same legit serial number. Otherwise a mistake was made in typing the number when the ***le was issued or the Alabama car has "borrowed" your number. While it might be somewhat a pain in the ***, whatever the case it should be verifiable. For what it is worth, mistakes are made when ***les are recorded. A few years back when I went to renew the registration on my daily driver pickup I was told by the DMV I could not because the truck was recorded as s****ped and the VIN cancelled. And this was a relatively new truck with the 17 digit VIN. Fortunately for me I had bought the truck new and my insurance agent who insured it since new was willing to state that other than replacing a cracked windshield no claim was ever initiated on the truck so it's history was easy to verify. After several dead ends and a bunch of calls to find someone in the ****s of the DMV that was willing to resolve the issue, it turned out that a s****yard in I forget where turned in a ***le that got mistyped by that state which by luck ended up being my VIN. Sounds like you may have found someone in the DMV willing to help you out. If not keep searching, someone out there will care.
N.Y. ***les were issued each year for a car which meant that a 32 Ford could have a stack of ***les laying around. If you used one of these ***les to register your ***le less 32 you run the risk of having other 32's having the same number. I don't know if any other state had the same practice like N.Y..
Exactly, repeat, if you have paperwork that matches the car's ORIGINAL factory stamped numbers, which should to be easy to distinguish from repro tin plate or Harbor Freight based stamping in frame, you hold the high ground and are en***led to your serial number, ***le, and registration. If someone else is using it, he either has paper with no number on car or reproduced numbers on car, ALWAYS ILLEGAL and almost always badly done and easy to spot. Only the manufacturer can stamp the original number, and only the state can stamp a newly ***igne number, which will NOT be a copy of an original number. The big but in here...Alabama obviously has loose procedures, as they supplied the paperwork for the famous Broadway ***le, which issued thousands of utterly fake do***ents and is now dragging lots of rodders down with it. I think the only sophisticated restampers out there are high end restoration spe******ts, who are usually interested in faking ID plate do***entation for rare options than in registration problems. Sometimes very simple differences in procedure can screw someone up or allow double ***ling...on a '32 Ford, a clerk could make the serial number 18--1234 or 181234, and thus the same number would be read as two different ones by a computer file.
Are you sure about this? I have been told NY did not produce ***les to any motorvehicle until 1972 I believe. I have a 51 Harley and a 52 Chevy with out ***les, just transferable registrations, unless that is what you are talking about.
I think I'd change it before the other guy convinces DMV that YOU stole HIS #...... and confi****es YOUR car, since he was there first. Hey, just sayin
This poses the question in my mind about when a person does a VIN check in their state with AAA, local PD or highway patrol, DMV, etc... Do they only check with STATE records or is a nationwide search done when calling for a check. I confirmed with AAA and CHP that my Model A was clean and clear before going any further and starting the paperwork for a lost ***le. But was that search only done in my state or do they access nationwide records??
Do not know what all the AAA search does but the CHP almost certainly did a NCIC which is a nation wide database of all reported stolen vehicles. So unless the vehicle was at some point reported stolen the NCIC will come back clean, and a clean NCIC result in no way precludes someone else from "borrowing" the VIN for ***ling purposes.
So that system does not tell them rather or not a car of number **********X has been registered in another state? It only shows legalities ***ociated to that number? If not, (which I think you're saying it doesn't), is there a WAY to check nationwide without calling all 50 states individually to see if a car is already using that VIN? Seems like there must be...
Iowa does the bonded ***le I've been told. I used to sit on ***les, but anymore I ***le the vehicle right away so that I'm legal. Not worth fighting a ***le later. Hope you get your deal figured out. Let us know how you come out.
Step 1: Hide the car! Step 2: Hire a lawyer I'll bet a call from your DA to the Alabama DA would get things moving.
Correct, the NCIC does not search beyond theft. While in the past a state VIN search would only search the records for that particular state I believe now that most if not all state searches check "active" VINs in all states. I believe AAA also checks all states but do not know that for sure. But be aware while most if not all states now keep ***le/VIN records indefinitely, that was not true in the past. Keeping records only up to 7 years used to be the commom practice, meaning if a car was not licensed or in some other way kept active through a non-use form or similar, after the retention period of time all ***le/VIN records for that car would be purged and thus lost forever. So if you get a barn find, or a similar type that has sat abandoned for years, unless it had in the past been reported stolen (NCIC records are not purged) chances are excellent none of the typical searches that are used will produce any results.
i just checked the indiana BMV web site and looked the ***les in my name. i was amazed that several were still in my name from cars i sold years ago. with a couple of mouse clicks i could get a replacement tilte ($9) and the current owner would be **** outta luck. yet another reason to transfer ***le right away.
as far as my car, i took the car to the dmv to have them check the ***le vin numbers vs the vin tag on the car. they are both the same. mine looks original. hasn't been ***led in more than 20 years not counting that guy in alabama. someone there has a same year car with same vin registered there. maybe it was a case of transposing one of the numbers but who knows. what i do know is i will get a bonded ***le in az now. i have never had a car this old and never thought it would be a problem with a signed ***le. lesson learned agian. check it with the dmv first when buying.
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