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History Photos taken before WW2 - history in black and white

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    Nice photo of a Martini. Here's another.
     

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    Given its age, this is a wonderfully posed family shot from the Brass
    Lamp Era! Yank Nancy Hunt sent it in to the circa 1911 Flanders
    Model 20 in to the Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society to post on their
    keen website. Not a brand we've often mentioned on this thread!
    If my own memory serves, Flanders joined with Everitt and Metzger
    to form EMF, a more cost-effective group, marketed in part through
    Studebaker's dealer network. Somebody clarify if I got off on the
    details!
     
  14. A direct quote from The Standard Catalog of American Cars:- "Nettled because his partners Everitt and Metzger had left him in mid 1909, and also because the EMF was being drastically undersold and outproduced by the Ford T, the production procedures for which he had largely set up when he worked for Henry Ford, Walter flanders decided to build a new low-priced car. In July 1909 he talked the Studebaker brothers, the distributors of the EMF, into buying the factory of the defunct DeLuxe Motor Company of Detroit in order to compete with Ford head on. The Flanders 20 was a four cylinder car on a 100inch wheelbase selling in the $750 price range, which at the time of its planning was less that the Model T. Unfortunately Ford kept lowering the price of the T and the Flanders 20 could never undersell it. Although production was far under the Model T's, the Flanders 20 total for three seasons of 31,514 units was healthy and combined with EMF sales was good for number two spot in the industry in 1911. After 1912, by which time Studebaker had taked over completely, all EMF and Flanders cars became Studebakers."

    Just another example of the continual re-use of car building facilities that went on at that time with companies going in and out of business. I am always amazed when reading history like this that these guys were able to get into production so quickly once they had an idea - the time taken for designing all of the parts for new models and making casting patterns etc must have been considerable.
     
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    MrFire said: Just another example of the continual re-use of car building facilities that went on at that time with companies going in and out of business. I am always amazed when reading history like this that these guys were able to get into production so quickly once they had an idea - the time taken for designing all of the parts for new models and making casting patterns etc must have been considerable.

    Jimi: Thanks for clarifying the Flanders/EMF chronology there.

    As for the above paragraph, I surely agree! The time between the turn of the century up to about World War I seems, to me, not unlike the days of oil wildcatters and starry-eyed gold prospectors operating on a shoestring! Yes, a lucky few succeeded and got rich, while most just went bust in one or a few years. Sad and exciting at the same time! (Amazing that a handful of guys with car know-how could put up $1,500 each, find a sugar-daddy, secure the defunct AeroCar plant in 1909 and proceed to build a car called HUDSON, all the way through 1954.)

    Seems the Flanders is a good example of how Henry Ford practically single-handedly put an end to the possibility of small companies with small capital being able to compete cost-effectively. Times would have been especially hard for makers of "assembled" cars, buying engines and other major components from subcontractors. By the time Ford got into full swing with his price war, trust-buster Teddy Roosevelt was out of office. And, IMO, no one else picked up the cause with any conviction.
     
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    You stuck fella?
     

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    Reminds me of when I managed to get our MB stuck in the springtime after thaw.

    I had to drag a floor jack a mile to lift it enough to get it out.

    Vintageride
     
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    Kool66, funny story here: It's said that when Henry finally had the Quadricycle ready for a shakedown cruise, he realized it was wider than the door. He had to knock part of it out to get the car out! LOL
     
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    Keen old sepia-tint of an unknown pre-WWI cyclecar. All I know is
    that the Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society says it is NOT a Humberette.
    Any help out there?
     
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    GREAT THREAD!

    Here's an oldie for ya, just found this one last night. This is a photo of my Great-Grandfather, John McHenry. He was a "Vulcanist" as they called them back then (a tire man). This photo was taken in his tire shop in Redding, Calif. Circa 1910.

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    This is my Great Grandpa Dr. Samuel Clark's car in Halltown, MO about 1915 or so. Does anybody know what car this is?
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  30. 1915 Studebaker Model SD - four cylinder.
     

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