Late engine, likely '46-8 but cannot see the details, anyway '39-48 and could be a 221 or 239 once enough is revealed to ID. Pan is general type used late 1932-4 in several minor variations. Presumably has a gap showing behind drain valve where vent is exposed by early pan, distributor '33-6. Lots of pics would sort out details of origin of all the bits...
I'm thinking 38-42ish because of the distr, the 59a (46-8) has a crabcap. Do the heads have 81A cast into them? (truck would be 81T) then it for sure is 38-42 24stud motor
Look for a letter and/or number cast into the cylinder heads. Appears to have the 1937-48 p***enger car water pumps. With the single sheave crank pulley and the generator mtd fan (with the cut-out on top) it would suggest 1938-39. If it's been sitting outside in the weather, you can almost go to the bank on the pistons/valves/etc being stuck like glue. Not to mention all kinds of possible pitting in the cylinders. I never gave much for field engines....they usually mean LOTS of work to break them down, and the final results are frequently disappointing. Now, if it's free....then its up to you and your soon-to-be skinned knuckles.
Looks like cooling fan is driven off the single crank pulley, that makes it pre '42. I am saying this worriedly for i have never known Bruce to be mistaken and am expecting a bolt of lightning to toast me on the spot - i have nothing but the highest regard for that man and what he says.
Most of the externals are far earlier than the engine, probably 1934 or so. I think once all is visible it will likely turn out to be a 59 that once lived in a '34 or so Ford. The single sheave pulley is '39 type, a necessary swap for a long crank engine going into a pre-'39. I think trans may be a truck 4 speed, but it is nearly covered over. Note that it is a '39 up, and has a pre-'35 pan, which doesn't even really fit!
You guys are already throwing out some great information. Thanks! I only got one more picture, but it show even less, I think: When I look at the original sized picture, I don't see any lettering on the heads... They should be in the center, right?
I would not pay much for it. It has a early pan 3 blot cover it is most likely a small bore engine. I tend to look for a 24 stud that says 59 on the bell housing. All the others are a hit and miss unless you have it in pieces.
An engine that has been open to water for years has without doubt frozen many times and will be full of cracks from the expansion of the ice... "Long crank"...crank front snout got longer in '39. Look at the pulley on the engine shown...it has a collar extending out to the retaining bolt/crank ratchet. Most of that collar length would not exist on a '32-38 crank. Engine is at least '39 (or VERY late '38), external pieces are older by a lot. Side view suggest block is at least 1941, what little I can see of front area suggests '46-8.
Damn if you can "pick it up" your one strong dude! LOL If it's free the crank worth pulling, actually anything that's not cracked is worth saving. Lift with your legs not your back. Oh god, I so damn funny...
Now, what else do we see? Lancer hubcap..."perfect when dropped", and is that a Lincoln V12 rear axle?? Again, crucial details blocked by random stuff. Go get a camera and a leaf blower, dammit! Trans on flathead is I think truck fourspeed.
I see what you're saying, Bruce. It's actually the length of the crank, and not the stroke. Yes, I am scared the guy is asking way to much for it, more than what it's worth, or what I am willing to pay for it. But I guess we'll find out on the weekend. I'll bring my camera, but it's snowing like crazy out there right now, so the leaf blower probably won't do it
I think all you will get is very pitted, crusty cores for distributor, carb, and generator... block would almost have to be just a bunch of freeze cracks. Pan has some resto value once identified, as all versions of that are rare, but I'd bet it is so pitted and maybe actually rusted through that it won't bring anything. Figuring out a find like this is interesting, but I don't think you'll emerge with any actual usable parts, alas. Shoot pics and we will try to list the whole stack of mixed components there!
Finally found some time today to go back and take some more pictures: Please let me know, what you guys think!
I can tell you the Vin Number stamped in the bell housing is 1938. http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_serialnumbers.htm
Trans is from 1933..."29A" head is '42 Merc. Can't see enouhg block...pic of area between gen anf front cover would help, plus clearer pic of bellhousing. Is intake on a cast part of block that is same shape as gasket, raised by 1/8", or on an entirely flat surface?? Anyway, block is something post 1940, externals all suggest '33-4 truck as its last home. Value is pretty much s****...I think there is little hope of much in usable parts here. Too much water and cold and time. (the 33 was a big truck, by the way...BB18)
The guy told me, he took it out of a 34 truck. so that makes sense now. Here are a few more pics: He wants $50 for it, so even if I can't save any parts, I can at least learn something along the way!
No, the length of the snout on the front of the crank. I'd haul it off for free could be just s**** metal.
So my new years resolution was not to buy a motor in the new year. That's why I had to pic it up yesterday Thanks to the help of my buddy Adam I didn't have any problems getting it home. Then I started dis***embling it right away. Here are some pics: I was wondering how to get this cover off? Do I just pull the crank pulley and it'll come right off? Here's a pic of the ****** casting number: I have no clue what that says... So I checked the head gasket surface for cracks, but my untrained eyes couldn't find anything. Any tips on how to be able to see them, or do they only show up when magna fluxed? One more question: what's the best way to get the head studs out? Thanks guys!
Is there any way I can tell what year my motor is? Since the stamped number is on the bell housing and not the motor itself? All I know right now is 1939 to 1948...
Here's a number I discovered today: Its on the intake surface of the block, p***enger side front. Seems to be 1262849. Is that gonna tell us the year of the block? Thanks for looking, guys!
Block is about '39-40 221...show the pan rails when you get there. Outer stuff all '33-4. Trans is truck four speed.
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