This ****s, I have 8 cars with yom plates on them and 2 with horseless carriage plates, the state will have to spend a lot to figure out who has what on their cars tho as if you have had your plates for over 5 years they have archived all their records on them , I found that out last year horse trading cars with a friend.
Heres what i sent off Dear Mr. Finn I am a 20 year old male from Auburn Washington and am a part of the hotrod community. I currently own 2 vintage vehicles registered under collector plates, and soon to be a third. I have recently learned of your proposed bill requiring the annual renewal of permanent registration on vintage and collector vehicles. I am not entirely opposed to the idea of this bill, as i would gladly pay to drive my vehicles, but i feel that this bill would have little affect on the current budget status of our state. In place of this restriction, i propose a new bill changing the age in which a vehicle is eligible for permanent registration. As it currently sits, a vehicle must be at least 30 years old. That means that someone could take, for example, a 1981 toyota pickup and register it as a collector vehicle. I have seen it myself where a non-collector vehicle is equipped with these plates in an effort to get out of paying for tabs, which is loosing money for the state. I propose that the age requirement for collector vehicles be set at a more appropriate age, say 1974. This more than covers the age of what are considered collector vehicles in the automotive world, while eliminating the age margin of vehicle that are simply taking advantage of the state. When the static 30 years was put in place, most vehicles 30 years or older where in the 1950s-60s age range, which was more than acceptable. Now that we are getting further into the future, a static date would make more sense when talking about a cl***ic, vintage, or collector automobile. Please take my thoughts into consideration when addressing this situation. Thank you for your time. Marty F***bind Auburn WA
For me it's not the money it's the fact that's another form of tax that they can put on us. Tell me why I have to buy new plates for my cars every 7 years, do they wear out? In Washington they are always looking for ways to pick your pocket and this is just one more.
Actually I DO agree with you. If they're getting special lanes they should pay for them. But getting punk kids to buy licenses and burdening the police with enforcing that is more trouble than its worth. Personally I think there should be a flat-rate state income tax. Then there could be a MUCH lower sales tax, lower property taxes, and a lot fewer of these rinky-dink taxes and fees the state is socking individuals and small businesses with because they're collecting less money in a down economy. But that's for another forum!
Lets see, they make rules and now want to change them to cover there bills. I believe a bill was p***ed a few years ago for all lisences to be $30, that sure isn't the way it is now with having to pay for plates and other fees for this and that, so what would stop the inflation of the $30 old car plate from being increased. I follow the rules by keeping all my old cars lisenced and ***led in my name and keep them stored and out of sight. Being on the East side of the state I only have so many months a year to drive my old cars. I only drive these old cars to car events and I run lisence plates same as the vehicle year and only pay a one time fee. The state legistation made these rules now live by them and leave these these plates alone.
They claim the reflective wears off, sun fades. I have a small collection of autos and pay year round for 75 percent of them, don't want the h***le the rest have YOM or some other type of collector type plates. Thanks for the info.
My take on this is, I drove, and will drive my YOM cars full time, even though it is technically illeagal. By driving my old cars it is supporting, reinforcing, and exhibiting the culture of america, no different than a museum that is given government benifits to stay open I AM being a patriot by breaking the law and should be rewarded, so i think they should compromise and DROP the restrictions, and keep it free. IF it were to stay at $30 i would have very little problem, but the s***bag goverment officials will raise it as soon as possable, so they have more money to give to worthless crackheads. Here is a thought, sell hunting licences to shoot tweakers, or do piss tests at the welfare office. **** mabey i should run, that'd be my platform!!!
Dynaflash, that is well stated. Sadly, I think this one is going to sail through the legislature. Way too easy to pick up a few extra hundred thousand for the general fund. And yes, the fee will probably go up in the next session, and the one after that and... well you get the idea. And the city you live in will probably tack on their $20 annual fee as well. God forbid the legislature would ever cut back on their spending.
more contacts and info here; http://echo.bluehornet.com/hostedem...914165089&ch=C7B1BB6915FAAC7B8EDE16103C242664 URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT Washington State Bill Would Increase Fees for Collector Cars and Horseless Carriages <O Legislation (H.B. 1134) has been introduced in the Washington State Legislature by Representative Fred Finn (fred.finn@leg.wa.gov) and Representative Zack Hudgins (zack.hudgins@leg.wa.gov) that threatens to require annual renewal fees for collector vehicle and horseless carriage license plates. Under the bill, the initial $35 license plate fee for these vehicles would remain and a new annual $30 renewal fee would be added. Under Washington law, a collector vehicle is any motor vehicle that is more than thirty years old, while a horseless carriage is defined as a vehicle that is more than forty years old. We Urge You to Contact Members of the Washington House Transportation Committee (List Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 1134 H.B. 1134 ignores the fact that these older cars are infrequently driven (about one-third the miles each year as a new vehicle) second or third vehicles and deserving of reduced registration fees. <O H.B. 1134 singles out and targets owners of older cars as revenue boosters to compensate for state budget shortfalls. <O H.B. 1134 ignores the fact that many collector vehicles are owned and maintained by low and fixed income Americans who are less able to afford a higher, annual fee.<O></O> DONT DELAY! Please contact members of the House Transportation Committee immediately by e-mail to request their opposition to H.B. 1134. Please e-mail a copy of your letter to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org. Also, please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them to join the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your ***istance. Washington House Transportation Committee <O></O> Representative Judy Clibborn - Chair Phone: 360/786-7926 Email: judy.clibborn@leg.wa.gov Representative Andy Billig - Vice Chair Phone: 360/786-7888 Email: andy.billig@leg.wa.gov <O Representative Marko Liias - Vice Chair Phone: 360/786-7972 Email: marko.liias@leg.wa.gov <O Representative Mike Armstrong Phone: 360/786-7832 Email: mike.armstrong@leg.wa.gov Representative Jan Angel Phone: 360/786-7964 Email: jan.angel@leg.wa.gov Representative Katrina Asay Phone: 360/786-7830 Email: katrina.asay@leg.wa.gov Representative Deb Eddy Phone: 360/786-7848 Email: deb.eddy@leg.wa.gov Representative Fred Finn Phone: 360/786-7902 Email: fred.finn@leg.wa.gov Representative Joe Fitzgibbon Phone: 360/786-7952 Email: joe.fitzgibbon@leg.wa.gov Representative Mark Hargrove Phone: 360/786-7918 Email: mark.hargrove@leg.wa.gov Representative Laurie Jinkins Phone: 360/786-7930 Email: laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov Representative Norm Johnson Phone: 360/786-7810 Email: norm.johnson@leg.wa.gov Representative Brad Klippert Phone: 360/786-7882 Email: brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov Representative Dan Kristiansen Phone: 360/786-7967 Email: dan.kristiansen@leg.wa.gov Representative Connie Ladenburg Phone: 360/786-7906 Email: connie.ladenburg@leg.wa.gov Representative Jim McCune Phone: 360/786-7824 Email: jim.mccune@leg.wa.gov Representative Jim Moeller Phone: 360/786-7872 Email: jim.moeller@leg.wa.gov Representative Jeff Morris Phone: 360/786-7970 Email: jeff.morris@leg.wa.gov Representative Luis Moscoso Phone: 360/786-7900 Email: luis.moscoso@leg.wa.gov Representative Jason Overstreet Phone: 360/786-7980 Email: jason.overstreet@leg.wa.gov Representative Chris Reykdal Phone: 360/786-7940 Email: chris.reykdal@leg.wa.gov Representative Ann Rivers Phone: 360/786-7850 Email: ann.rivers@leg.wa.gov Representative Jay Rodne Phone: 360/786-7852 Email: jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov Representative Christine Rolfes Phone: 360/786-7842 Email: christine.rolfes@leg.wa.gov Representative Cindy Ryu Phone: 360/786-7880 Email: cindy.ryu@leg.wa.gov Representative Matt Shea Phone: 360/786-7984 Email: matt.shea@leg.wa.gov Representative Dean Takko Phone: 360/786-7806 Email: dean.takko@leg.wa.gov <O Representative Dave Upthegrove Phone: 360/786-7868 Email: dave.upthegrove@leg.wa.gov <O Representative Hans Zeiger Phone: 360/786-7968 Email: hans.zeiger@leg.wa.gov <O> </O> <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 width=600 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD><CENTER> [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Terms under which this service is provided to you: sema.org/disclaimer[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SEMA's mailing address: 1575 S. Valley Vista Dr., Diamond Bar, CA 91765[/FONT] </CENTER> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> later
My issue with this is my Desoto had collector plates on it from before I took it off the road to redo it. It has been quite a while since it has been on the road and will still be some time before it is again. Now, the state wants me to pay $30 a year for a car I can not drive! I am makeing the "no on this bill"call.
I'm not positive, but I think its the same as any other plate. The $30 is for the "tabs", if you don't pay it you are just not legal to drive. Like my '66 has plates, but is not current on registration. When its ready to go on the road, I'll go down and buy tabs.
I understand where the state is comming form but it ****s to have to pay more to run collector of yom plates. If they do p*** it, it would be nice if they took the restrictions off. There is no reason you should pay full tab price and have limited driving times. I would hate for that reflective coating to wear off. To me it seems like another way to get there foot in the door then they can hike the price when they meet next time. As the beatles said Let me tell you how it will be, There’s one for you, nineteen for me, ‘Cause I’m the Taxman, Yeah, I’m the Taxman. Should five per cent appear too small, Be thankful I don’t take it all. ‘Cos I’m the Taxman, Yeah, I’m the Taxman. (If you drive a car ), I’ll tax the street, (If you try to sit ), I’ll tax your seat, (If you get too cold ), I’ll tax the heat, (If you take a walk ), I’ll tax your feet. Taxman.
FWIW, I sent an e-mail to Rep. Fred Finn after reading this yesterday, and basically told him that the way the bill is now it would allow you to register a '81 mini van as a collector car... and that makes no sense. I told him to just add 10-15 years to the cut off date. And guess what I got this reply from him this morning: "Your suggestion makes sense to me, and we are currently looking seriously at it. The idea for the bill was brought to me by an employee of the State Patrol, and it is designed to address the fact that most older plates are not traceable without checking the registration. This presents a security issue for law enforcement. Also the legislation is intended to address those who drive more than the allowed amount under the rules. Your solution may substantially address both problems in my opinion. Please keep in touch. This is a work in progress." So maybe that light at the end of the tunnel ain't a fast approaching train
uncle buck is on to something. If everyone who rides a bicycle on the public streets/roads was required to buy a license/pay $30 a year the state would generate much more income than collector/YOM fees would generate. EVERYTING else is regulated/licenses/taxed. Why not this? Hate to agree with him on anything, but the point is valid.
Sent this to Reps Finn and Hudgins. I'm not in favor of this bill but it makes some sense and is inevitably going to p***. It's free money to the State. Maybe we can at least get it changed to some degree. And yes, get those damn bicyclists licensed. "I'm never in favor of raising fees but I understand the need for funds. I don't care for this bill but I can live with it in exchange for fewer restrictions on driving my '38 Ford. The part I think you need to look at is the 30 year idea. I don't see a 1981 Ford ****** qualifying as a cl***ic car. For most car aficionados, the last cl***ic car was made before all the emissions and the m***ive bumpers were required by the federal government. I really believe that imposing a requirement that only vehicles licensed as a 1973 or older would be far more in keeping with the concept of a "collector car". Thank you for considering this change."
Sent an email to every representative on that list. I paid the one time filing fee and provided my own license plates, they can't tell me I have to pay more to keep using them.
When I drive down Seattle streets I get pissed off because they are in such poor shape. All those politicians down in Olympia who've never turned a spade of Earth in their lives are getting raises. Keep this state broke - don't give them any money. Beef up your suspension.
sounds like this isnt going to get consideration this year, but keep an eye out. Also i got a call back from Rep. Jim McCune that said he was opposed to it anyhow
I got an email back from one of my senators and he said he had three cars with the tags himself so you know where his vote is. I'd say crack down on the guys who chronically abuse the privilege of having the plates by using them on daily drivers that meet the age requirement and maybe put a cutoff year like 1970 on it. Being 25 years old doesn't automatically make a car a cl***ic or collectible car as far as I'm concerned.
Update not going to happen this year! http://echo.bluehornet.com/hostedem...915913697&ch=9BE9D445952D3E7E9032C89F5D89EE12
we all need to do whatever it takes to protect our hobby or before you know it we will end up like california and have to buy "non-op" registration just so we can have our cars sitting around and anyone that says thats not ******** can borrow my truck and trailer to leave the state! lots going on in the state that needs to change.
well ****, we're just a scape goat hiding all the other ****. The WSSA (washington stat snowmobile ***n.) fought with the state over a fund they had set up to maintain grooming and the snow parks. The fund magically got re-perpoused into the "general fund". Crooked all the folks are.. ON a lighter note looks like ill be logging many a happy mile this year!
Not for this bill. But what or who considers what a collecter car is. Especially if the newest car to register for collector plates is a 86 Iroc?
i totally agree as a multiple buis. owner its just one more way for the man to get more. like i dont pay enough taxes already. Heres a few to help jog your mind <TABLE id=yiv1327873431yiv1151729034INCREDIMAINTABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="DIRECTION: ltr; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" id=yiv1327873431yiv1151729034INCREDITEXTREGION width="100%"> Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table, At which he's fed. Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule. Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts Anyway! Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt. Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think.. Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears. Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ***. Tax all he has Then let him know That you won't be done Till he has no dough. When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He's good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he's laid... Put these words Upon his tomb, Taxes drove me to my doom...' When he's gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax.. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon) Gross Receipts Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Personal Property Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service Charge Tax Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax Sales Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Did I miss any?
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