Guys,I had/have a couple of 55 DeSoto 4drs for sale in a package deal on another site,and got in a email last night saying a buyer in Georgia had used "Buy it Now" to buy them. I sent him a invoice,and got back a typical Nigerian scam letter about how "my shipping agents will handle the shipping to Africa and I will send you a cashiers check". Had a American name,but I told the guy no dice. I didn't deal with agents and I didn't ship to Africa and I only accepted USPS money orders or cash. I figured that would kill it,but the guy came back tonight and told me he was sending me a USPS money order for $5,000 (the BIN price was $900). I am then supposed to cash ethe money order and mail the shippers the extra $4100 to pay them to come pick up the cars and arrange shipping for them. I'm sure most of you are now aware of the scam these people are running using bogus cashiers checks. You cash the check at your bank,and it bounces a week or so later,leaving you holding the bag. These people are now branching out and using counterfiet USPS money orders! Sumbody be going to a federal prison over this one.
have them send the money deposit in a new acount and tell them you will give the shipper the money when he picks up the car. can you get introuble for trying to scam a scammer ?????
The people who own the web site are supposed to be notifying them. I figured I would post this here because this is the first I have heard of them using USPS money orders.
Thats going to be interesting... I believe postal MO's are only available up to $500 each. Have him send them to you, at an address other than your home. Take them to the post office. Tell them what you think is up, They have a book to look up the #'s to see if its stolen, or real. They will be on him like stink on **** if they can find him.. I had some stupid crack head steal a MO from me in the mail, she forged my name but put her ID# on the back.. DUHHHH> Dumb*** is in prison for forgery, mail theft, Fraud, drugs, etc....
This link is from another (OT) board. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330767&highlight=scammer Still, there is some very eye opening information, if you ignore the ********.
I had a look at that link, The money Orders look real to the untrained eye. Supposedly some lady was able to cash 10,000 worth...and she sent it to Nigeria. Be Careful fellas...
$700 is the limit, I'm pretty sure, same deal on Western Union/BidPay money orders. USPS probably comes after you if they find out they're fake same as the bank comes after you on the cashier's check. SOmewhere I saw a pretty good story on how a guy sent a scammer trying to bid on his notebook computer, this homemade notebook computer that amounted to a bunch of keys from a junk keyboard glued into a 3-ring binder with the "screen" drawn on in marker. Managed to cost the scam guy the shipping collect plus a duty based on the value of the real computer. Don't think you can do that with a car, unless you can get them to pay collect shipping on a Ford Festiva that's been rolled down a hill end over end -
the limits vary, i dunno, depending on the issuing post office or something. with that said, as far as "proper authorities"...good luck! ain't nobody goin to no jail because of this.
The guy already has my mailing address,and it is a P.O.Box. I am planning on doing exactly what you said if he is stupid enough to send them to me. He's bugging me for a physical address "so the shippers know where to go",but I'm not going to give him one because I don't want to end up with a yard full of dead Nigerians. I may end up giving him a bogus address,just to see what he does.
That's the problem. The cashiers check they use is so good it even fools your bank,and they give you the money. A week or so later the other bank bounces the cashiers check as a bogus one,and your bank wants you to pa them back the money they lost.
Where would someone in Nigeria get a USPS money order? Do we have a post office over there? It only takes a few days for a cashiers check to p*** or fail. Why wouldn't you wait for it to clear before you tried to spend it? The easiest way not to be scammed is to use common sense. Now next big question, you go a couple of '55 Desotos and you didn't post them here. our money isn't good enough for ya? Remember real HAMBers aint scammers. Oh yea the FBI has an email addy for turning in scammers. Just go to thier site and look for it. There's very little they can do about it but they are keeping track.
http://www.419eater.com/index.htm This is a site devoted to F-ing with the Nigerian scammers. Funny stuff. There might be some tips on how you can play with this guy a bit. Have fun, and try to mess with this guy a bit!
"Where would someone in Nigeria get a USPS money order? Do we have a post office over there?" All they would have to do is get somebody to mail them just ONE USPS money order,and they could copy that. They would only need a US Post Office to cash one. "It only takes a few days for a cashiers check to p*** or fail. Why wouldn't you wait for it to clear before you tried to spend it? The easiest way not to be scammed is to use common sense." Most people consider their banks to be experts on cashiers checks,and if the bank cashes it as a good one,they think it HAS cleared. I gotta confess that I am in this group. IMHO if the bank is so slack they don't check with the issueing bank to make sure the cashier check they are cashing in a good one before they hand over the money,it should all be on them. The problem is it doesn't work that way. They end up doing the same thing they do when you write a bad personal check,they go into your personal accounts and vacuum all the ready cash out and then take you to court for the rest of it. Now imagine how much fun this process would be when you replace the bank with the US Feral Government,and those are the people who take out after you wanting "their" money back. Not mention wanting to spank you for being a bad boy. "Now next big question, you go a couple of '55 Desotos and you didn't post them here. our money isn't good enough for ya? Remember real HAMBers aint scammers." I tried putting some of my stuff up for sale here,but got slapped down because I hadn't been here two week yet. Don't worry,the two De-Sotos will be going up for sale here once that time p***es. "Oh yea the FBI has an email addy for turning in scammers. Just go to thier site and look for it. There's very little they can do about it but they are keeping track." The web site owners (www.collectorscarsauctions.com) are supposed to be doing that. Not that it will do any good. The people running this scam never come into the US,which means the Feebs can't arrest them for wire fraud or bank fraud. The Nigerian government that we love so much and give so many millions protects them. The truth is the US banks have the ability to stop this **** by just refusing to do any cash wire transfers to Nigeria,or to even do any business with Nigerian banks at all as long as the Nigerian government protects these thieves. They won't because the big boys in the banking industry want in on redevelopment,oil,diamond and other Nigerian government banking business. The US government gives them their full backing to go after US citizens for the mistakes the banks make when cashing bogus cashiers checks,though.
So I have one that is even worse than this. A guy that some of us know got one of these scams...he took the 6000 worth of money orders (there were 6 of them) to a check cashing place and they cashed them with his fake ID. He got 5400.00 cash kept the car for sale and burned the AMERICAN check cashing place.... Karma came back to him....his garage burned down with his done shoebox in it. he said his kids left the welder on but I know it is Karma.
"OK let me rephrase that. Why would anyone with a little common sense except a USPS money order from someone on the other side of the pond or from someone in any other country?" Because it's not coming from another country. The guy is claiming he is in Georgia. Who the hell really knows where he lives? This is the internet. He could be anywhere. All he needs is a relative or a friend in Georgia to drop a letter in a Georgia mailbox for him,and you can't tell it is any different from any other letter mailed in Georgia because it isn't. You know the guy is from Nigeria by his odd use of English and the fact that they have practically have a patent on this scam. They get away with it because there are a lot of people out there who rarely sell anything on the internet and aren't members of any internet groups like this where the scam has been exposed. I'd have fallen for the cashiers check scam in a instant if I hadn't been warned on boards like this one about the counterfiet ones. Who would think the banks wouldn't call each other to verify the cashiers checks were good before they cashed them? " Perhaps they might lean a little harder if the USPS thing is the new kid on the block." That's my thinking,too. Postal Inspectors have zero sense of humor about this type of thing,and I suspect this will hold true for what now p***es as a Justice Department. This is a direct challenge to feral gooberment authority,and I just don't see them letting it p***. Just like if you kill me there is a chance you could get away,but kill a federal judge or a politician and they will never give up looking for you.
The limit on a Post Office Money Order is $1000.00. The statute of limitations on a bad money order/check at a federal bank is 3 years. That means the banks has 3 years to get their money back from you or start legal proceeding against you if you cashed a bad money order/check with them.
I've noticed that when I cash an MO at the PO they run it through some kind of reader. I think they know right away if it's fake don't they? I have to go to the PO later. I'll ask my girl down there if she's heard any chatter.
I'd love to turn the tables and try and scam some of them dirty Nigerians... ... I wonder if they have anything worth buying (besides counterfitting equipment) too bad I'm not in the market for flies... Regards, Mike
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