Swap meet guy had some qc gears for sale last year- i asked him if he had the rear they go in- he said "yeah, in the barn-not the best, cuz it's a big ol' heavy thing from the 60's- a Frankland." Turns out- he's a dirt tracker doing the roundy round thing- well it took us a long time to get days and dollars to occur together but 2 weeks ago my son and i headed out to pick it up. It's got Jones bells on it- which i believe are magnesium- I've read that Jones did lots of magnesium stuff and basically copied the Frankland design. The rear cover is a deep Winters unit- 6 bolt. Frankland tells me the Winters spool uses a 2.030 bearing while the Frankland presses a 2.000 bearing on a Frankland 2.003 spool. since my spool measures 1.997-2.000" at the bearings (worn a bit -bearings slide off but there's no .027" wiggle) it must be a worn Frankland-sized spool. The center has no markings that i'm able to find anywhere... none of the pics on the web during my searches have matched up -especially the fins between the spur gears and ring gear. any clues? ALSO: my machinist stated that if i was on a budget and needed to keep that spool-he'd use Loc***e Green (609, if i recall) to basically glue them in place- He said he's not used it for a bearing like that, but he's used it for cylinder liners and such and I do know he's got a great reputation for years of being a great machinist. How can i not trust a 5 foot tall machinist with a long gray beard named "Doc".- any of you machinists out there have experience with that type of loc***e application?
Never seen one like that. There were and still are more outfits making quick change centers than you can count on 2 hands.
Loc***e Gap Filling or Insert locker, green is the dye and Loc***e uses it on different type of loc***e, Make sure you specify the right type, not by color......Roach.
It doesn't look like a Jones cernter to me. My Jones center has Jones on the side of the bottom fin. Here's a pic of my Jones. I believe all the Frankand parts fit. I spoke to Mr. Jones before I started on mine and I believe he made aluminum and magnesium.
have you had good experience with this yourself? I'm interested to try it- my machinist asked if i was gonna drive it every day- no- so he said it should be fine- However- when i do drive it it's going to be crusing around my own town, and then also putting 50 mile bursts to get to the cruise spot and from there-we'll put another 100 miles in an evening on the cars going from traction test to traction test. then another 50 miles to get home... Is the 'daily driver" criteria based on total usage? heat buildup? -since it's evidently fine with occasional racing, power input isn't the concern with this Loc***e. thanks guys.
You might try giving Norm Rapp a call. Not sure how much time he spends in the shop anymore but he does have an answering machine. He can probably tell ya what ya got and will most likely have NOS parts for it. I don't think he ever got hooked up on computers and can't stand roll cages or P/S on racecars. He's one of my Heroes for sure: Norm Rapp Racing 5 Cordova St. San Francisco, Ca 94112 415/333-8510
Caterpillar either used to, or still does, carry Caterpillar branded green lock***e for issues with loose races on heavy equipment. I believe the bottle says "up to .005" , not positive. I got some from the owner of a D-8 dozer that I did some work on. The stuff came with some Cat dealer new parts that I replaced, but I don't recall what was loose....something in the mega heavy duty winches on the back end.
Yes I have used it for sim worn out stuff, Works great in Harley motors and other things, Takes the heat from a Cutting torch to burn it out!!!!! I think it was 619.
UPDATE!!! Got some news today about the ID of this old pig. I had sent it to Frankland Racing in PA to give her a thorough ******* and swabbing out, as well as convert over to Ford 9 inch ends. The good: Fred at Franklin agrees with my measurements and thinks the loc***e green will be fine for that small amount of tolerance. No promises on his momma's grave but i aint worried too much. The good (part duece): my Magnesium bells are in straight and true. The bad. the pinion isn't happy- so we'll be taking out the 4.86 and putting in a 4.12 gear set. This makes my spur gear selection right on, since i'll be swapping from the 3.9-3.8 range to 4.3-4.4 range depending on if i'm running the blower or not (or bottle). I should be able to just flip the gears from top to bottom on one set, instead of buying multiple sets. It'll also reduce pinion speed/friction from that 4.86 gear. The odd: He identified it as an earrrrrrrrrly Winter's center section- 70's or even 60's model. Well, not knowing how long Winters has been around, I'll have to take him at his word unless someone else knows different. kinda bummed about it being Winters and not Frankland or even Jones- I was NOT happy about how the Winters sales rep heard it had Jones bells on it and told me they wouldn't be touching it under any cir***stances- "we dont work on anyone else's junk" was the phrase that comes to mind...too bad- their loss, I'm more than happy to send my green to Frankland, as they seem to be on top of things and are giving great service. big ups to Kari in the office, and Fred doin' the wrenching. -rick
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