All wisconsin hamb'ers need to email mark gottlieb, at wisdot.........

I just got a very nice reply from my state senator thanking me for bringing the matter to his attention and for explaining the impact the old car hobby has on bringing in money to the state.

 

I agree we should put presser on the DOT so they don't take away from our hobby.With that being said in December I started registration on my 1963 Pontiac lemans (street/strip car)I was trying to transfer my hobbist plate from a street rod that I sold last July on to the Lemans. I sent in the taxes(Full amount on $10,000.00) and the $150.00 plate transfer. Then about two weeks ago I get a letter from the DOT asking me to send in pictures all four sides and the interior and engine compartment along with the modifcation I did to the car to make it Street Modified. Like everyone else I thought here we go I'm not going to get to transfer my plate to this car.So I went ahead and sent them what they wanted and low and behold I got my ***le today with plate transfer to the Lemans. Needless to say I was very happy But I also felt that I had nothing to hide from them either.
I understand it is all about money to the State DOT but I am a member of a car club and there are members that have collector plates on there Street Rods because they don't like the color of the Hobbist plate or they will get a higher number and it is not cool to have a five or six ditgit number.Or the try not to pay all the tax that is owed on the car they just bought (these are red flags to the DOT) We need to police ourselves along with the presser we need to keep on the DOT (just my 2 cents)

 

I just had similar dealings as Roupe and Injun applying for a Hobbyist plate, but with Curt's advice went with a regular plate. I should note the vehicle is not done, so sending pics would have been counter productive right at the moment. The (polite and courteous) woman at dot special plates div. said the state's trying to crack down on fradulent use of the non renewable plates.
The link on WHRR spells it out a little different. Emails are on their way to my reps right now........

 

my mother works for the county health dept. and my father the state dot i dont need to tell you my opinion on ***walker! anywho yes things have been great the way are. we dump more than enough money into this great state! they owe us!

 

Someone who is a very persuasive letter-writer, and is knowledgeable on this topic should post a "form letter" that we can cut-n-paste and send on to the legislators.

I belong to the American Motorcyclist ***ociation, and they do this sort of thing all the time. It makes it easy for everyone to send a letter, and the uniformity of the message is also maintained.
Inflammatory comments and general "nasty-grams" are also greatly reduced with this method.

 

3 years ago I had the local State Trooper tell me that I needed to comply with all safety and equipment laws regardless of how the car is ***led, registered, or constructed. He insisted that when you modify a car, it then falls under the "new" car requirements.

SEE THIS THREAD: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196252


This has been coming for a few years, doesn't matter what they told us at that time.

I know Curt R has a ton of experience working with these folks and is a great resource and ally when it comes to the transportation laws.

I have had my own share of experience working with State Law makers, and many, many, many lobyists in Madison. The best thing we can do is organize all of the aftermarket vendors, shops, and especially the show promoters and ask them to send examples of how it will effect their local economy. They only thing these people understand is money and the bottom line.

 

and the other m***ive hurdle is absolutely no one in the State Senate or Legislator care about our hobby right now.....or what the DOT's interpretation of the law is regarding old cars.

 

Here is the reply I got back from the DMV

Dear Mr. Rosenow:

Thank you for contacting the Department of Transportation with your concern about cl***ic and collector car ***le and registration. Secretary Mark Gottlieb has asked me to reply to you on his behalf.

As you may know, the Department advanced an administrative rule package in 2009 that was designed to codify long-standing Department practices with regard to the ***le and registration eligibility of vehicles built after August 31, 1969 that do not bear certification of their compliance with federal motor vehicle safety standards. The Department’s goal in this effort, which had no impact at all on vehicles built before 1969, was to put forth clear, readily understandable guidelines for vehicle enthusiasts -- bringing transparency to the Department’s process for reviewing ***le and registration applications for just this particular cl*** of vehicles. In response to public concerns, the Department withdrew that rule last month.

Department staff are holding a listening session with members of the enthusiast community on March 14th, to gather specifics on these areas of concern so they can be addressed. It is still our desire to provide the public with clear guidance on the Department’s decision-making with regard to the small cl*** of vehicles I described above. I should note that none of this has any impact on vehicles built before the advent of federal motor vehicle safety standards, which remain broadly eligible for registration under the various existing registration products we offer.

I want to ***ure you that the Department has no intention of harming vehicle enthusiasts. Please let me know if I can be of further ***istance.


Steven Krieser
Legislative Liaison
Wisconsin Division of Motor Vehicles
Phone: 608-266-7857
Cell: 608-576-0573
Fax: 608-266-9996

 

The problem is that they view hot rods and modified vehicles as being built after 1968, and thus, required to meet FVS.

 

and the listening session will go much better if an atorney is present representing our side.

 

E-mail sent. Copied my senator Glenn Grothman who also sits on the transporation commitee. Glenn actually returned my call and we had a long discussion regarding trans 1232 (?) when it was being considered.

Here is my text:

I understand that there may be pending legislation regarding changes to the process of procuring and renewing Collector, Hobbyist, Replica and other special interest plates.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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Is information available regarding any proposed changes? <o></o>
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The collector car hobby is important to state of Wisconsin revenue and any changes making it more difficult to legally license historical vehicles needs to considered carefully. These vehicles are a**** the best maintained vehicles on the road and the hobbyists that I have met are second to none. These are second and third vehicles for residents that already have fully registered daily vehicles and only offer additional revenue to the state for vehicles that are rarely driven in our relatively harsh climate. <o></o>
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Please do not make our hobby more difficult to afford and enjoy. Please keep the state of Wisconsin not only open for business, but open for residents as well.<o></o>
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Thank you for your kind consideration.<o></o>

 

I just recieved this emal back.
Cheers,
Bob

Dear Mr. Anderson:

Thank you for your recent e-mail to DOT Secretary Mark Gottlieb regarding Collector and Hobbyist plate types. Secretary Gottlieb has asked me to respond to you on his behalf.

The Department has no plans to pursue changes to the laws that authorize us to issue the registration plates you cite. Along with other Department staff, I will be participating in a listening session on March 14<SUP>th</SUP> with representatives of the vehicle enthusiast community to discuss specific issues related to vehicles built after August 31, 1969 that do not bear certification of their compliance with federal motor vehicle safety standards. This will, however, have no impact at all on the ongoing availability of the registration products you mentioned, nor will it change the definitions of these vehicle types in rule or statute.

I hope you find this information helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of further ***istance.

Steven Krieser
Legislative Liaison
Wisconsin Division of Motor Vehicles
Phone: 608-266-7857
Cell: 608-576-0573
Fax: 608-266-9996