the following is an update on pending wisconsin legislation for our hobby. I am summarizing response from sec of trans mark gottlieb's legislative ***istant: -withdrawn last month: Cars after august 31, 1969 do not have to comply with federal motor vehicle safety standards-certification. ******-march 14th, wisdot having a "listening session" with any and all of our hobby enthusiasts, so concerns can be addressed. -the person below(legislative ***istant) wants to ***ure us that the dept. Has no intention of harming vehicle enthusiasts and will endeavor to see that vehicle ***le and licensing proceeds smoothly(whatever that means). i strongly urge anyone who can attend this "listening session", to do so. Remember, a professional, calm approach in this meeting will do more then ranting and raving. I do not have the time or actual location. Feel free to contact: mr. Steven krieser legislative liaison to mark gottlieb at wis. Dmv phone: 608-266-7857 cell: 608:576-0573 ** make sure all of your concerns are addressed from ***leing, license plates and state troopers yanking licenses.
WTH we have worked and prepared for 2 months to have a small, focused meeting with WisDOT to clear up the ***leing and licensing problems. The meeting will be intense and I expect a lot of dialogue to be exchanged a****st the people knowledgable and prepared for this meeting. It appears that, you have taken it upon yourself to issue an "OPEN INVITATION" "I strongly urge anyone who can attend this "listening session", to do so. Remember, a professional, calm approach in this meeting will do more then ranting and raving. I do not have the time or actual location. Feel free to contact:" your invitation is well intentioned but this meeting IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. If, Steve Krieser indicated to you that, the meeting is an open meeting then, I stand corrected. I respectfully, ask everybody to have patience, allow this meeting to proceed as planned (small, closed and focused) and I will post updated info on the WHRR website. The time will come when an open forum meeting can be held for all enthusiasts to make sure their concerns are being presented to WisDOT.
Thanks Curt! I know you have worked very hard on this, and I appreciate all you have done. While being patient, are there letters we can write? If so, to whom, and with what specific concerns?
If my info on open meeting was misrepresented to me, i apologise. Take it as closed meeting with reps. Unless i can clarify.
Much thanks to the HAMBer's that have written or helped in other ways. Your efforts have been effective. TRANS 123 is dead and WisDOT is aware of your concerns about the current issues. If, the meeting goes well then, we will continue working with WisDOT in a positive manner. In 1972, it took us 3 years to get things worked out. In 1991, it us took five years. Hopefully, these problems are resolved in less than 2 years. If, the meeting is less than productive, the letter writing and other things will be put into motion. I will post on http://wisconsinhotrodradio.com/ Special thanks to the HAMB moderators for letting this thread continue but, this forum doesn't respond well to legislative battles. Too many of the wrong posts and the thread is shut down. My fellow rodders need to be informed and I intend to keep you informed. Thanks to all. Curt R
If, anything, you received the quick, standard reply to your and other inquiries about the issues. Mr. Krieser is new to his job and most of the legislator's aides are new or unaware of our issues. They don't know, what is coming their way. Yes, we prefer a small, focused meeting, at this time. In the 1990's issue struggles, meetings were held and depending on where they were held, 200 to 1000 people showed up. Monday is not the time or place. When the time comes, we will get together when, it is most effective. We have been working with WisDOT for 40 years to preserve our hobby, with success. How we go about the process is based on those 40 years of experience. As I had posted in your other thread, if anyone wants to get real active in this process, PM me and we can co-ordinate efforts to guarantee the continued success of everybody's efforts. A major factor in the past 40 years of success is we all pulled together and presented a unified front. Some one trying to micro-manage how these issues are resolved, at the touch of the keyboard, can be distracting and unproductive. Any one that , feels that they have proof of a better way of resolving these issues, PM me, we can discuss or we can get out of their way. Curt R
Obviously, your long standing efforts on our behalf have provided us with good results over a long period of time. My "source" in Madison, was not Mr. Krieser, but someone else who has dealt with these types of issues before. His information, based upon your information and response appears to be less informed. While I attempted to "get the word out", using the information I believed to be reliable, I will no longer post information from my source, but rather defer to your expertise. My intentions to intially post had only the best intentions for the Wisconsin Hobby.
MARCH 14, 2011 MEETING WITH WISCONSIN DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION The meeting was attended by the WisDOT Legislative Laison, three representatives from WisDOT, a representative from Senator Glenn Grothman's office, a representative from State Representative Jerry Petrowski's office, two representatives from the military vehicle/import car interest group and myself. At the outset of the meeting, WisDOT stated that, "we are not after your older vehicles". The majority of the meeting involved discussion with WisDOT and the mv/ic guys. ***le and registration problems were discussed at length. Although, specific ex military vehicle legislation, regarding ***le and registration, was p***ed in 2010, WisDOT'S refusals to register ex-m/v's continues. Future meetings between the mv/ic group and WisDOT will be planned in an effort to correct the problems. The meeting was shorter than planned due to other situations occuring in the Madison, Wis area. For the remainder of the meeting, I discussed with the WisDOT representatives, the WisDOT procedural changes in applying for "COLLECTOR" and "HOBBYIST" license plates. Also, I inquired as to the reasons for the Wisconsin State Patrol's increased involvement in the "street modified" and "replica" ***le process.Time was short and a very brief discussion was held about 3 specific individuals and their ***le problems. Because time ran out, our questions, issues and concerns were not addessed, fully. The Legislative Laison and myself agreed to meet, in the near future to discuss our issues at length. The Legislative Laison did state, that "if, legislation is to be drafted that would affect your vehicles, we (WisDOT) will consult with the enthusiasts at the very start of the legislative drafting." When, legislation is drafted, public hearings will be held, as required by Wisconsin Statute. General public statements and your comments are heard at the public hearings. You can ask your legislator to tell you when, WisDOT proposes legislation or ask them to ***ist you in accessing that part of the Wisconsin website that posts pending legislation. With a lot of people watching, we should be on top of things. Thanks to all those that contacted government officials before the March 14, 2011 meeting. Your voices were heard and your comments were effective. For now, we must keep watch on WisDOT and stay prepared.
Thank you for this update, Curt R. May I have permission to have your update printed in our club newsletter? I am Gregg Kluck, Secretary and Club Reporter of the Wisconsin Street Rod ***ociation.
Curt, Could you clarify something for me? From reading your post, it looks to me that the main problem is the Military Vehicle types not wanting to register their vehicles at all. Is that true?
The problem is the opposite, the state refuses to allow private owners to register some types of older military vehicles, if you want to know more search the board for previous posts on the issue.
You are right, it needed clarification. I edited that post. Thanks for the heads up Point of fact, WisDOT continues to deny some ***le apps for ex military vehicles. The ex military vehicle owners are not happy. They are trying to resolve the problems with WisDOT. Curt R
Hey every one, your thank you's are much appreciated. Anti old vehicle at***udes and legislative efforts are evident within most states, in the US. The threat to our cars is very deep and far reaching. There has never been as many states and bureacrats proposing and p***ing anti old car legislation, as we have today. They don't go away. We had our first battle with negative Wisconsin legislation in 1972, the second battle in 1991 and now in 2011, we are under threat, again. Every one stay vigilant, always contact your legislators to express your opinion. Curt R
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