Please list all/any (ahem...loser) reasons why when someone is trying to sell a car, there is no ***le. How does a car end up with no ***le?
They lost it. P***ed down and wasn't running and never got it registered. Wasn't running when sold and person kept it for years and so on and so on I just bought one without a ***le Sent from my iPhone using TJJ
Lost or paperless? All it should require is a bill of sale and a vin inspection. Shouldn't be a problem, just have the cops run the plate and or vin to be sure it's not stolen.
A better question would be why a lot of people selling cars with no ***le somehow feel that their car is worth just as much as one with proper, clear paperwork.
A lot of times a person keeps his dream car/truck to restore. Months turn into years then into decades. The guy dies and no one has seen the paperwork in 30 years. It happens when you buy from older people (I'm 65). Also, when some people parked their old car behind the barn they never thought it would be worth anything, therefore threw all paperwork away not thinking that someone, 20 years later, would like to buy it and restore it.
Whats worse is when the car you are trying to buy isn't the car on the ***le, different VINs. I'm dealing with that issue on a '57 Ranchero. Hopefully he can get the right ***le, if not I won't buy it. The car came out of a junkyard in Arizona, who knows how long it was there.
In some states, if a vehicle is in your name, you MUST pay taxes on it every year reguardless of if it's licensed/insured/running, or even useable. I bought a '57 chevy a couple years ago for $1000. Paid $60 in taxes the first year. The next year I got a tax bill for $360... State said it was worth $6000 simply because it was a valuable '57 chevy Nevermind the fact that it was a rust-bucket pile of junk, they wanted their [my] money, and they wouldn't let me register any of my other cars untill I paid the taxes on all of them... I sold the chevy, but one of my options was to pay $4 to "drop" or "junk" the ***le. I could see a situation like that, a hard working guy who has a couple project cars that he cant afford to pay the taxes on, so he "drops" the ***le. Getting a new ***le isn't a big deal if it's dropped from the system... However, if it's still ***led in someone elses name, and it's sold to you as a no ***le car, obtaining a ***le can be a BIG PITA.
maybe they pulled the car out of a mexican riverbed where has been laying for 50 years, and is a 80 year old car.......like my model a
Maybe there never was one. M*** only started ***les in the early '70's and for a while only for the first 10 years.
Amen, dammit! i would think that getting a replacement ***le from the dmv would not be too much trouble and would have minimal cost for the seller?
I have sold cars to ***le states before with a registration letter and copy of the Ga. law.None of the buyers ever had a problem in their state.
It would seem as though it should be that way shouldn't it. You are ***uming it had a ***le at one time. Try it sometime.
Hmmm...I registered a 39 Olds in M*** a while back with just a bill of sale and no other do***entation. I just registered 46 Hudson from out of state in Ct with a bill of sale and a Vin verification. No problems either time. Guess you get lucky sometimes.
Many states never did ***le the older cars. Georgia's first ***les were issued for '62 model year, so a '61 or older car sold new in GA never did have a ***le. There was only a bill of sale. That's all I have for Henrietta the '38 Ford pickup. That's all I have for the '55 Ford that my parents bought new.
I had a house burn and 50 car ***les gone. Many where open ***les. One had a lien from a used car dealer that was sighned off. the dealer was long gone and couldnt fill out the paper work to get the lien released. So I have a 64 car that has a registered lien on the Vin. Its never going to have a good clear matching ***le unless I want to pay a lawyer& courts more than its worth. Some times at a auction you dont get ***les. I bought several cars at a court ordered divorce auction. The disgruntled Ex husband didnt give up any ***les. As for open ***les. Used to be Ark. had a vehicle inspection requirement. the car had to run and have all the lights brakes ect. working. before you could get inspection and license®istration. The Inspection is done away with but now you must have liability insurance. So a open ***le was and still is a common practice a**** traders of project vehicles. OldWolf
A car does not end up with no ***le, the owner does, and that could be for almost any reason, such as running out of rolling papers.
It depends how long ago it was with the Olds. There was a time not that long ago you could do that. No more. A regisration (current or previous) and bill of sale is ok. They will take that. I bought the pickup in the avatar in 1956. No tiltles, no sales taxes in M*** at that time. A few years ago I wanted to get it going again. It took almost 5 years to find somebody at the Registry that knew the process. That is the biggest problem, finding a "public servant" who knows what to do & wants to bother doing it.
I bought a rebuildable 63 Riviera from a widdow woman a while back. She said that she couldn't find the ***le so I got it real cheap. Was cleaning it out and found the ***le in the glove box.
bought a car without ***le from georgia in the late 90's when i lived in illinois. all it took was a bill of sale, current registration, and a call to the georgia dmv. had new illinois ***le in a few weeks. guess i got lucky.
A lot of times a car without a ***le is just a parts car because of the expense and h***le of going through the hoops to get paperwork. We did a ***le search on an old pickup about a year ago and found a 30 year old bank lien against the truck. We didn't pursue it any further. Whatever kind of vehicle you are looking for just make sure you get clean paperwork for it before money changes hands. Also compare numbers on the ***le to the vin tag on the vehicle.
You didn't really "get lucky", the laws in Illinois changed. Now, if you live here, you are foolish to deal with anything without paper. Even WITH paper, they might stall for a number of reasons, including that the ***le is dated too many years back when you go to register the vehicle. Cosmo
Ohio can be pretty strict on ***le requirements, meaning the ***le must be open and free and clear. Anything else and you are in for a expensive h***le. here is a scenario as why there is no ***le. Say a guy is building a Model AV8 rod. He buys a body or pieces of a body at swap meet or elsewhere. He ***embles body, then he fabricates or buys an aftermarket frame. Pick an engine/ drivetrain (anything other than banger for illustration) and you have a pieced together rod, which many of us do just this way. Of course model A has #'s on frame and engine-but neither are part of this rod build example. In Ohio you can apply for a "homemade" vehicle ***le (like a kitcar or rod). A couple of problems with that are : It has to be inspected with the Highway Patrol. They merely want to insure it is not stolen or parts on it are not stolen and are not concerned with its operation or safety (it does not even have to run). But old cars and parts we buy do not have receipts and without paperwork you risk having vehicle impounded. Second, many car shows, especially largeer ones with raffles stipulate a cutoff date for cars allowed in show, like not newer than 1970. You must have ***le to accept larger prizes like car give-a-ways. Heard of a guy with a nice Highboy turned away from show because he had "homemade" ***le dated 2009? and likewise some *** clown was let in with some stupid looking cammoed military personel carrier that looked like an altered Pinto wagon with a 40 mm gunner seat on the roof. Why? This P.O.S. was on a late model frame, but ***led as a '49 jeep. Earlier I said how Ohio is strict on ***les. That is true. As long as paper work is right, there is no problem. But you have to remember these pencil pushers are like machines and seem to have no knowledge of anything, but ***le work. Case in point: you could have the VIN tatooed on your arm for all they care. As long as #'s match and paper work is right they will go through with it. I know, (probably regret telling this) in Ohio if it is an out of state vehicle the VINn has to be verified by the DMV before ***le can transfer (cost about $3.50 I think). They come out and physically inspect (verify) serial # matches ***le. It is a joke. One time, when it was wet and cold and I was too lazy to unload a junk frame off my truck and load the car to be inspected, I got out # stamps and put the VIN on the junk frame (even made it easy to see from side of bed so they did not have to climb up on my truck) and wala, no problem.
TN must be the worst. If you don't have a ***le, you are screwed here. Unless you have a "Buddy" in GA or AL to fake some paperwork, it's time to buy a ***le. Then you are in the same situation mentioned above, wrong numbers. It will get you a ***le and tags, but when you try to sell it the numbers don't match. The states that require ***les FORCE you to work the system. They make you do things that you normally wouldn't do. There should be some unified system that allows any car to be ***led and tagged in any state. It's just a damn car.... Nobody should have to be dishonest just to get a car registered. It's a HUGE h***le and run-around to get an old car ***led without the paperwork. OK, done with my session on the soap box.... Next please.
vt. will only ***le a car that is 15 years and newer. when i sell i furnish a notarized bill of sale and a copy of the registration.
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