Anybody mix their own lacquer color from PPG Toners; any special additives needed?

I ended up with a ton of auto paint supplies including toners and poly flake. All PPG stuff incl acry lacquer, acry enamel, and urethanes. (much more than what is in the pic)

I'd like to try the lacquer because I am pretty sure the AE and Urethane needs a bunch of special additives.

I am hoping that there are no additives in lacquer? I found an unopened gallon of fine poly additive for the DDL also.

I saw some additives in there like "flop"? and "color blender" and other things also, but I doubt they are for the Acrylic Lacquer toners I have?

I did a web search for any DDL "mixing" formulas to see if they had additives, but can't find any.


Will be used on a fenderless hiboy conv. that is garaged, and probably will never be straight enough for ultra glossy paint anyways

 

No experience with PPG (good product), but typical lacquer has a binder and balancer and then toners (which makes the color). I'm sure there are more experienced (PPG) guys who will chime in. Stu

 

I used a lot of PPG acrylic enamels and mixed the different colors to get darker shades and had not problems. Not sure if this experience relates to your situation, but that is the only help I can give.

 

PPG lacquer has binder and balancer in the toners. Just mix it, thin it and spray. I suggest you use good quality thinner like PPG DTL thinners and not a bargain brand or hardware store thinner.

 

That's the info I was hoping for...not needing to add anything. And yes, I was going to get topcoat grade thinner.


Thanks guys.


I am sort of looking forward to trying a custom made color and finally get some on the car. Maybe late 50s Autorama style metallic. It's been a long haul project.

 

I've watched the paint guy mix AE several times and he just adds toners to the base and shakes it.

 

Well, that's good to know also. I thought I recalled that many years ago, one paint place put some sort of "hardener additive" in AE, during the mix. Maybe it was a clear..

Then maybe mixing paint is not too technical? ....I did see a pure white gallon of AE with a mixing lid on it, and it was not a real toner; it was DAR8000, which is just their factory mixed, pure white AE. This place was using it as a toner.

 

Test it first anyway.

 

F&J, I've still got DDL formulas on microfische ...if you need a formula for some color, hit me up(but I imagine you'll just bucket mix something cool)..still got some of my lacquer toners too

 

Hey, thanks for the offer. If I can get my car close enough for paint, I will try to come up with an approximate color type, then maybe find a formula just to give some idea of what makes it that color?

I say that because I think there are some very odd toner colors in whatever color I would choose. Like: all sorts of colors mixed in an off white.

I have read about bench mixing by guessing, and sometimes it goes real wrong, very quick....like turning to mud color.

I found another box today: a full case of 6 one-gallon DDL "color blender". It says something like using it to help get a closer match to a cars existing paint. Said more but I forgot

 

yummmm....color blender Hold on to it and use it---it's (if I remember correctly) a mix of Duracryl(clear lacquer) and retarder. A man could lay out some nice slick final coats mixing in that stuff

I might add.....it's purpose was for blending(spot repair)---you sprayed out a coat on the whole panel you intended to blend, then a coat after to lock the color in a "clear sandwich". Worked pretty good for metallics back then---allowed you to polish a panel and not burn the edge of the blend with the buffer.

 

None of the "sandwich" made sense to me until you explained "burning the edge of the blend" Now I got it Thanks for all the info

 

yeah, I'd starve if I had to teach....

 

Have you any idea of how many different dtl lacquer toners you have, thanks

 

No. I have large boxes full of gallons and quarts, all have the attached mixing covers that hook to a paint mixing bench.

I have all the laquer in one area, as well as the acrylic enamel toners, and urethane toners in other areas. Kind of overwhelming to sort out.

I also found many quarts, gallons, and pints of mixed paints, some factory mixed, some store mixed, some with no labels...even a bunch of Ditzler alkyd enamel factory mixed that are real old. One was the Plum Crazy for Mopar muscle cars, and one bizzare named color for a muscle Maverick...and 3 matched factory gallons of Poppy Red for early Mustang in DDL.

Vinyl toners, flatteners, reducers, and even a 5 gallon pail of lacquer primer