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Heard something weird about melting records to make paint

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by carcrazyjohn, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. carcrazyjohn
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    Any body care to chime in ,I do believe it though ,Old 33 records could be melted down to make paint.......revised to 78 records
     
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  2. Nick Flores
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    I don't believe it, but if its true the hundreds of old worn out records I refuse to throw away might have just became useful.
     
  3. gtkane
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    I got a feeling it would be hell on my spray gun...
     
  4. GARY?
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    You can burn 'em and collect the soot. Use it as black pigment, think prison tattoos. Don't know about using the melted plastic directly though.
     
  5. tommy v
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    grind them up use it like flake
     
  6. davidbistolas
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    Sell them and buy paint?
     
  7. Destralo Roach
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    No way, think about it, Records are made out of Vinyl, and not the paint kind, wont work....Roach.
     
  8. KoolKat-57
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    78's were made of shellac, maybe that's what you are thinking of!
     
  9. Nominal
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    That's what I was thinking. They could perhaps be dissolved in alcohol and re-used that way.
     
  10. If you can do such a thing,the records are probably not 33 rpm records but the older 78 rpm ones that were made of acetate which is a component of the old nitrocellulose lacquer.
    As an aside;I believe the term,"spinning wax"(referring to a disc jockey playing records)comes from the fact that the original Edison cylinder records were initially made from a form of wax which was then changed to an early form of plastic(Bakelite).Easy to tell the difference between the two:the wax records were black and the Bakelite ones a blue similar to Ford blue.
    A lot of artists make their own paint by grinding up various pigments and mixing them with linseed and other oils.Supposedly they last longer than commercially available paints and a wider variety of colors are available.I would rather patronize my local Painter's Supply Co.
     
  11. carcrazyjohn
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    You guys are probably right ,It must be the old 78 's ,I was talking with my dad today about different things and one discussion was about things back in the day ,And some how we got talking about making stuff ,And thats when he told me that ,I thought it would make an interesting discussion.
     
  12. Mule Farmer
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    Its shellac, I say the furniture on the mend guys do it.



     
  13. xlr8
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    Weren't the really old movies (like in the 20's) also made out of nitrocellulose? I seem to remember something about alot of old time movies that had been put into storage by the big studios all disintegrated and were lost.
     
  14. Jonnie King
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    John...

    I've been in the Broadcasting business for almost 5 decades, spinning those "stax of wax", and believe me you don't want to mess with the TOXIC problems you'd get trying to melt down 78's, 45's or 33's. A pure waste of time & energy.

    Yes, there's petrolium, vinyl, shellac, and all kinds of chemicals and bonding agents used in making records, but to distill them to their basic elements you'd need a much more complicated process than your basic kitchen stove or microwave to do it.

    Simply buy the paint you need and save yourself a lot of time...and save your lungs in the process.

    Jonnie King www.legends.thewwbc.net
     
  15. chubbie
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    SHURE!!!!!! you first:rolleyes:
     
  16. ironandsteele
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  17. radio_king
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    I heard it only works with Beatles records.Let`s go and melt them all!!!:D
     
  18. OahuEli
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    Wow, if this was true I wonder what the paint from a Jimi Hendrix record would look like?
     
  19. ZomBrian
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    True and highly flammable! Watch the History Channels's "Modern Marvels" on the Library of Congress and check out their system on preserving the cl***ics so they don't meet a fiery end!:cool:
     
  20. Crystal Blue
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    WOW, i've got 5 gallons of musical paint ! ;):D
     
  21. Movie film was originally made of celluloid which is composed of cellulose nitrate,alcohol,and camphor.Celluloid was also an early form of plastic that could be molded into just about any shape and color including clear.It was used for a variety of things;mainly costume jewelry and pocket knife handles.
    The big problem with it is it's instability.When it starts to degrade(and no one knows precisely why)it gives off nitric acid fumes that will corrode steel and br*** alike and nothing I know of can stop or retard the process.It is weird because I have some celluloid handled pocket knives in my collection that are over 100 years old and look like new and others that were made in the 1980's that have totally disintegrated.
    A lot of people believe that contact with petroleum based products will start the disintegration and others that exposure to heat is the culprit.
    Whatever the case the material is extremely unstable and flammable.
     
  22. The37Kid
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    RATS! And I thought there would some use for the stacks of LP's I cleaned out of houses. LP's any 1-5 year novels are WORTHLESS.
     
  23. Diana The Doc
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    There was a time when extreme religious groups professed that melting down "radical" rock 'n' roll records would not only save your soul, but make for a tasty licorice flavored liquid that you could add to coffee-- I believe both claims are completely false (the second one being downright dangerous for your health)... Melting records, burning books, none of that sort of activity ever did the world much good... The old 78's were definitely made of a different formula than the later manufactured vinyl records... H*ck, there's youngins out there who don't even know what a vinyl record is... Back in the 80's didn't Tipper Gore want us to burn some records too?... "The Doc" (Celebrity Drag Racing Authority & Visionary)...


    P.S. Ode to the Old School Drag Racing Respirator Mask on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTrvVi7C_Qg
     
  24. Don't quote me on this, but I think paint is easier to find than 78 rpm records.
     
  25. Atwater Mike
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    How much volume do you melt into the really LOUD colors?

    yuk, yuk.
     
  26. They are made of Acetate, not shellac, melt them with acetone, not heat, you will get a cool brownish color. Every record made after 1960 is vinyl.
    I suppose nobody EVER made their own racing fuel.........
     
  27. The records are made of acetate, not shellac, melt them with acetone, makes a neat brown color.......
     
  28. Ebbsspeed
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    I imagine it would be purple, and maybe spangled with stars.........
     
  29. theelementsfordorks
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    This can be done, I have done this many times. Shellac is a secretion from a lac bettle, denatured alcahol will dissolve the shellac, (no heat) so realy it is not "melted" simply buy some old brittle records, usually victor made the best for this,
    place in a pot and cover with burlap, and mash them with a big hammer, to chips and dust pour in denatured alcahol, about 1" above the chips and wait, the next day stir this for a while then add a bit more alcahol and wait, the next day you can stir it up easy then you can strain it hrough a window sreen then cheese cloth, this will give you a flat black finish, it you keep diluting a little and straining you can end up with a nice orange grade shellac coating, 3 coats of the black laccure (true lac lacure) and 5 three coats of orange and you have a nice finish, this is not a wate proff finish, and it is very brittle, not recomended for cars, *_^
     

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