10% Ethanol Input Needed

In our province of New Brunswick, they have just switched regular and mid grade fuel over to 10% ethanol.
Anyone know the ramifications of this to our long term storage engines...hot rods(old engines, not crate motors)/antiques/motorcycles, snowmobiles/blowers/lawn movers tractors etc.?
They (the goverment) is recommending we use premium in these vehicles.

Does summer time use of ethanol in these vehicles then a tank of premium w/stabilizer for winter storage take care of it? Or is ethanol not good anytime with these engines?

Thanks

 

Please try the search, we have covered this dozens of times.

 

thanks.

 

over and over...................get it thru your head!! fuc& the arabs!!!!and if you can, you can run just fine on this fuel!!!!!!! and if you think that farming is so great, there is land for sale!!!!!!!

 

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We've had it here for over 10 years, no problems at ally junk runs better on ethanol than mtbe


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Aluminum does not like alcohol. Many gaskets dissolve in the presence of alcohol. Older engines were designed to run on gasoline of 93 octane or higher which was regular gas back then.

 

make sure to use the conditioner when storing

 

One thing that is different is that the specific gravity is lighter than 100% gasoline. So you might have to lower the float level to compensate. sometimes it;s a problem, sometimes it ain't.

89 octane is still 89 octane. The added ethanol that would raise the octane if it was added to 89 octane fuel is now added to a lesser quality fuel to bring the octane back to 89.

There's already 10% alchohol in the fuel so you no longer need to add deicer to absorb moisture in the winter.

Mechanical fuel pump Carburator cars that sit a few days need to have gas dumped down the throat to get them started cause this stuff really evaporates fast out of the carb bowls.

Sta-bil works well for over the winter storage.

Frank.

 

O/T - Anyone running E-85 on their hot rods? I am curious how it works for ya.

 

Ethanol is a joke. The production of ethanol takes more energy than it produces. Ninety percent of the propane produced in the US is used for fertilizer. We would be energy ahead to burn the propane in cars and trucks instead of spreading it on the ground to grow corn. Ethanol is kind of like the alchemist making gold. The alchemist use 1.2 ounces of gold to produce an ounce of gold. The alchemist is going to go broke. These types of programs are the problem with our economy. The cost of ethanol is $22.00 a gallon. The poor mileage, the higher cost of food, the subsidies to build the plants and subsides to the ethanol industry is why the cost is high. This cost probably does not include the wages of all of the government bureaucrats involved in the spending our tax money.There is enouugh oil on the mainland of the US to supply the world at present consumption rate for over two thousand years. This does not include Alaska and off shore. It is not the oil companies that create the problem, the problem is the the federal government and being politically correct.We are idiots for letting other countries control our economy.

 

I would think for the 10 month winter storage in canada you'd drain it.

Regular gas will varnish over long periods so will 10%

Ethanol will attract water. Biggest down fall. Stable type product I guess.

As far as farmers and foreign oil... farmers are alright in my book.

 

been runnin it in Fl now for 2 years

i had to go up on my jets 2 sizes due to a lean mix in crossram

ir its going to sit 3 weaks or more put stable in it when you get it

this also dries out acelerator pumps and huel pumps so i found out that the topend lube has been removed from the gas
so i add synthetic outboard oil 1oz per 5 gal gas helps keep from drying out the rubber
this also keeps the top end lubed my fuell milage is a little higher
my under powered 19 k3500 wrecker gets 2 mpg more with oil
i lost 4 mpg on that truck with 10%came back 2 with oil
miss piggy is cantankerous with fuel

 

I wish everyone would buy an electric car so I can drop a three pot caddy in a project.

 

In 2 years you learned all this.............................I'v used it for 20 years an havn't seen much of a difference

 

there is many oil wells that the government wont let pump they are old wells that have refilled them selvs

i personaly know of some on my sisters property
the are capable of high productionand they have head pressure again

gull island
here in Fl i know of wells that have re filled /them selves they say toxis waste can happen NO Pumping permited

also check this out http://shariah4america.com/this is what is comming next

 

And yet they can't learn the search function

 

it has helped no mirical cure
the oil doed help wifes expedition got 22.1 hwy before now with no oil 15.9 with oil 17.8 average

 

Hello, I have intimate knoledge of ethenol as a hot rodder and as a boater. This e-10 or e-15 that is coming is nothing but trouble for our older boats and cars. Not only does the ethanol eventually seperate (phase separation) it deteriorates the rubber fuel lines from the inside out. I use "Startron in my old boats and cars to prevent this. Not cheap, but then again neither are our toys. Here is a write up from a leading e-10 info site:

"As E10 sits, the ethanol and gasoline start to separate. Ethanol goes to the bottom of the tank. If there’s water there, or if water vapor gets in through the vent, the ethanol absorbs it. Before long, you’ve got a clump of watery ethanol at the bottom of the tank, where the fuel pickup is. When you crank up the motor, the crud is sucked into the carburetor or injectors and plugs things up. The next thing you hear is pop, pop, splutter, sigh . . .
That’s not all. Ethanol is a solvent, so when it gets into older fuel systems it can clean out the gunk and varnish that’s accumulated over the years and send it upstream to clog tiny fuel delivery apertures as well. It also breaks down rubber gaskets and can turn old fiberglass tanks to mush.
If you prowl Internet boating and fishing sites or recent marine industry publications, you’ll find millions of words on the perils of E10, and get more advice than you possibly could digest. I’m by nature a disbeliever in these sorts of magazine crises, which frequently turn out to be concocted by some marketing whiz to sell new, expensive products. I prefer to wait and see whether the crisis is real.
This one’s for real. So what to do?
According to Noyes, who deals with E10 problems every day, the most important preventive steps for engine owners to take are:
¿ Install a water/fuel separating filter between the fuel tank and the engine if one isn’t already in place, and spend the extra dollar or two to get a 10-micron cartridge for the filter, rather than the traditional 30-micron cartridge. The finer cartridge does a better job of removing water and impurities, he said.
¿ Add the manufacturer’s recommended amount of fuel stabilizer to every tank when you fill up, unless you’re going to burn up the tank within a week or so. The two most popular stabilizers are Star Tron and Sta-Bil, both of which Noyes said help keep ethanol from separating, and as a result keep water that gets absorbed in the fuel from accumulating in troublesome concentrations at the bottom of the tank. (And yes, fuel stabilizers are expensive).
“But you must put the stabilizer in when you fuel up,” he said. “It doesn’t do any good to do it afterwards.”

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x2 Corn is the most subsidized crop to begin with and the least efficient in making ethanol. Yeah big government and green energy.

 

i am tryin the startron now just got it
have stable in my generator for a year and it started good and still smells kinda like gas
i have amsoil out board oil in fuel stays mixed
i just swaped the fuel to the truck
and put startron in and oil
it is still runnin good

 

yup greenies love it

 

with the 6X2's i have had them green type highbread type shut off the pump on me

 

Yeah and oil is subsidy free. Get real.

 

your wifes POS expedition has 8to 1 com. ratio. it is built to run on SHi! GAS, DON'T TALK ABOUT LOSS IN mpg ON DUEL FUEL cars/trucks or use of 10% in this monster POS to run e-85 you need 12to 1 comp ratio if you don't get it i can't explain it.

 

if ethanol is a solvent, what does that make gasoline?

 

Remember where the first presidential caucus is held (Iowa) and you answer why we (USA) always think of stupid uses for corn...

 

UPDATE.....You can read lots' o bullshit about fuel....till you pay the price to re-build , updating of your items you are using chain saws,edgers, hedge timmers and the like. I speak from equipment with 30 days or less with fuel in each item, IF you don't use Standard/Chevron 91 Octaine and a Stablizer join the crowd making your local engine/repair shop a little richer. THE FUEL TODAY IS SHIT !!!! IT DESTROYS THE GASKETS TO MUSH...FACT !!! thank you for allowing me to share.

 

WTF???? where did you pull that shit out of??

 

In the old days the gas stations had summer and winter blends of fuel. Now with all the new fuel injected cars it doesn't seem to cause them problems, but it is a mjor problem for older carburetor cars.

The lower boiling point of Ethonal is causing a hard start situation after the car sits for about 15 minutes on a warm day. The heat soaks into the carb and actually boils the fuel out of the bowls , causing my engine to be flooded when I restart it.

The is a real issue in my '57 Ford which has the factory supercharger set-up so the bonneteapot carb, and pressurized air add to the heat. I drive it a bunch so it is becoming a real problem, now that Ehtanol is all I can find at the local pumps.

In order to restart on a hot day, I have to shut the electric fuel pump off, and crank it with the foot pedal down until the boiled over fuel burns off.

My '57 T-bird with a 460 under the hood had some of the same hard start boil over problems last summer with the Ethanol. I at first thought the needle were getting trash until I actually saw the hot fuel boiling out the bowl vents.